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#111
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[QUOTE=e6bpilot;3977189]
This old trope again?
OAK isn't going anywhere. It's our Bay Area anchor. We serve 4 getting ready to be 5 airports in the region that would also make it a great co-terminal if that ever got dusted off. If SWA moved out of that airport, the vacuum would quickly get filled by another operator who would cannibalize SWA customers.
Love that every Texas based SWA pilot has some weird vendetta against the state that probably earns SWA more money than the next 3 biggest states combined. If anything, SAN opening would draw down LAS and LAX. SWA has slowly and silently drawn down LAX departures anyway because it has gotten so expensive to operate out of that particular airport. JetBlue is temporarily squatting on a couple gates since terminal 5 is being rebuilt and the rest are being utilized just enough to keep competitors out.
California has a lot of onerous rules and regulations and a high tax structure, but the biggest, brightest, and best companies still choose to make it their hub, strangely enough. Many of the country's smartest and richest people live there. Until that changes, Southwest will continue to defend their turf there with a vengeance since many of the citizens of that state view Southwest as their high speed transit system.
According to market schedule from network planning, peak flights for LAX for the June of 26 base schedule is 87 flights a day. I don’t know if that is more/less from previous but it’s still quite a bit.
This old trope again?
OAK isn't going anywhere. It's our Bay Area anchor. We serve 4 getting ready to be 5 airports in the region that would also make it a great co-terminal if that ever got dusted off. If SWA moved out of that airport, the vacuum would quickly get filled by another operator who would cannibalize SWA customers.
Love that every Texas based SWA pilot has some weird vendetta against the state that probably earns SWA more money than the next 3 biggest states combined. If anything, SAN opening would draw down LAS and LAX. SWA has slowly and silently drawn down LAX departures anyway because it has gotten so expensive to operate out of that particular airport. JetBlue is temporarily squatting on a couple gates since terminal 5 is being rebuilt and the rest are being utilized just enough to keep competitors out.
California has a lot of onerous rules and regulations and a high tax structure, but the biggest, brightest, and best companies still choose to make it their hub, strangely enough. Many of the country's smartest and richest people live there. Until that changes, Southwest will continue to defend their turf there with a vengeance since many of the citizens of that state view Southwest as their high speed transit system.
#112
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My bad. Late night posting gone awry. I ment to quote setMCT. The system won't let me fix it, though. Mea culpa.
#113
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We will always have enough flights there to keep the gates occupied. Right now we operate 10 gates, so 87 flights is a strong schedule, but we are supposed to have 12. SWA is not going to cede any more space to other carriers. LAX is in a 5 way power struggle and nobody dares give up real estate. JetBlue is squatting on two gates until terminal 5 is done in 2027, and I have a feeling that is just fine. We definitely haven't been fully utilizing the rest. I don't have the data, but it's pretty clear from the way we operated that terminal previously to the way we operate today, SWA would rather use LAX as a maintenance anchor and crew base and spread the flying around to the satellite airports. I think most of the locals would rather have that too. Terminal 0 project has been shelved. LAX is in the midst of a major renovation. There just isn't any growth there outside of margin players like spirit freeing up space and other airlines grabbing it up as a power play.
I am seriously shocked that there hasn't been more push for a rehash of the coterminal stuff for socal and NorCal. The way we operate those regions, it would make serious sense. I know LAX locals would be pretty happy as most drive from where the other socal airports are.
Side note - if you ever want to see how bad the customer experience can be in lax, I invite you to fly out of gate 52. It's not a gate, just a magic portal to American Eagle hell. Right now you have to enter through terminal 4 security, go down 4 stories, walk through a long service tunnel, go up, wait in line, get on a bus, and drive east for about a mile and a half to enter a building with no AC and one tiny "restaurant". That's where the actual stands are. It's brutal.
I am seriously shocked that there hasn't been more push for a rehash of the coterminal stuff for socal and NorCal. The way we operate those regions, it would make serious sense. I know LAX locals would be pretty happy as most drive from where the other socal airports are.
Side note - if you ever want to see how bad the customer experience can be in lax, I invite you to fly out of gate 52. It's not a gate, just a magic portal to American Eagle hell. Right now you have to enter through terminal 4 security, go down 4 stories, walk through a long service tunnel, go up, wait in line, get on a bus, and drive east for about a mile and a half to enter a building with no AC and one tiny "restaurant". That's where the actual stands are. It's brutal.
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#114
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IMHO, something is brewing and that’s why the delay in announcing a new base. It could be bidding on NK’s assets, or M&A (doubtful), or negotiating with an airport board like KSAN (most likely).
Perhaps negotiations are ongoing and that’s why the company can’t commit to making an announcement yet.
Perhaps negotiations are ongoing and that’s why the company can’t commit to making an announcement yet.
SWA won’t touch any Spirit aircraft. IF they want anything it would be the delivery slots owned not by Spirit but by Aer Cap and maybe LGA slots. By the way, SWA already has a relationship with AerCap because some of the SWA aircraft leases are owned by them.
Something to think about is SWA just issued some debt in the tune of $1.5 billion. Supposedly to pay the ppp stuff that will convert. Well that is only about a billion in total. That extra money maybe used to fund more deliveries next year. Contractual commitments for 2026(mostly airplanes) is $2.0 Billion according to 10K. Boeing CFO stated this week they plan on delivering a lot airplanes next year. Most of the time cash flow funds those deliveries. They may just slow retirements down a little to grow. If they get more airplanes next year cap ex will really explode. Interesting to see if all these initiatives really do pay off. I have a feeling cash flow from operations is not going to cover it. We’ll know more at the end of January when they report.
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SWA won’t touch any Spirit aircraft. IF they want anything it would be the delivery slots owned not by Spirit but by Aer Cap and maybe LGA slots. By the way, SWA already has a relationship with AerCap because some of the SWA aircraft leases are owned by them.
Something to think about is SWA just issued some debt in the tune of $1.5 billion. Supposedly to pay the ppp stuff that will convert. Well that is only about a billion in total. That extra money maybe used to fund more deliveries next year. Contractual commitments for 2026(mostly airplanes) is $2.0 Billion according to 10K. Boeing CFO stated this week they plan on delivering a lot airplanes next year. Most of the time cash flow funds those deliveries. They may just slow retirements down a little to grow. If they get more airplanes next year cap ex will really explode. Interesting to see if all these initiatives really do pay off. I have a feeling cash flow from operations is not going to cover it. We’ll know more at the end of January when they report.
Something to think about is SWA just issued some debt in the tune of $1.5 billion. Supposedly to pay the ppp stuff that will convert. Well that is only about a billion in total. That extra money maybe used to fund more deliveries next year. Contractual commitments for 2026(mostly airplanes) is $2.0 Billion according to 10K. Boeing CFO stated this week they plan on delivering a lot airplanes next year. Most of the time cash flow funds those deliveries. They may just slow retirements down a little to grow. If they get more airplanes next year cap ex will really explode. Interesting to see if all these initiatives really do pay off. I have a feeling cash flow from operations is not going to cover it. We’ll know more at the end of January when they report.
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Actually it won’t be fully realized until the fall of 2026 because of the 2nd and 3rd quarters of 2026. Which usually when SWA and other airlines have their best quarters. What I meant was the end January usually is when they lay out the fleet plans, capacity guidance, cap ex plans, etc.
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Actually it won’t be fully realized until the fall of 2026 because of the 2nd and 3rd quarters of 2026. Which usually when SWA and other airlines have their best quarters. What I meant was the end January usually is when they lay out the fleet plans, capacity guidance, cap ex plans, etc.
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