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Old 02-18-2026 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by hoover
I guess my point is someone has more of a chance getting in via secondary v DRR is vacancies remain at 0 for the year.
Just look at the 2 cpt who will get in this vacancy who are not displaced.
How many DRR have returned- 0
Several have moved into DEN though
I don't think it would work that way. If you have DEN as your number 1 and you are the most senior person wanting DEN you would get it in a secondary vacancy. You would be at the front of the line in any primary vacancies by keeping your DRR intact.

Switching bases doesn't help the cause. You would need to be senior to get in without DRR. If you had that seniority to begin with you wouldn't be displaced.
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Old 02-18-2026 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 4V14T0R
I don't think it would work that way. If you have DEN as your number 1 and you are the most senior person wanting DEN you would get it in a secondary vacancy. You would be at the front of the line in any primary vacancies by keeping your DRR intact.

Switching bases doesn't help the cause. You would need to be senior to get in without DRR. If you had that seniority to begin with you wouldn't be displaced.
yes. I should have said i moved to FO voluntary instead of getting displaced.
So I could go back to cpt in another base and then get into DEN via secondary v waiting for all the DRR to return to get back to left seat. No one will upgrade into DEN for years
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Old 02-18-2026 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by hoover
I guess my point is someone has more of a chance getting in via secondary v DRR is vacancies remain at 0 for the year.
Just look at the 2 cpt who will get in this vacancy who are not displaced.
How many DRR have returned- 0
Several have moved into DEN though
Secondary vacancies work by system seniority. So if I have DRR and there's DEN - 0...I won't get in with DRR. But if someone leaves, and I'm the most sr person in the system with DEN in my bid....I'd get in on a secondary.

Unless you want to go to AUS or somewhere for the seniority bump....I'd stay put. If they add into DEN in May with ANC RE or June/July with RE RSV....you'd be on the outside looking in as DRR guys fill those spots.
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Old 02-18-2026 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by hoover
yes. I should have said i moved to FO voluntary instead of getting displaced.
So I could go back to cpt in another base and then get into DEN via secondary v waiting for all the DRR to return to get back to left seat. No one will upgrade into DEN for years
There's a flow chart on SWAPA that says what qualifies for DRR. Downgrade to avoid displacement doesn't qualify. So upgrade into DEN would be based on your system seniority as everyone who was booted and is forced into commuting gets DRR.

So if you want to stay in DEN....don't change the bid. You don't have a 6 mo seat lock I believe so you could (re)upgrade to AUS or wherever....but getting back to DEN would require system seniority via a secondary.

I'd run all this by Contract Admin just to be on the safe side....
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Old 02-18-2026 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by hoover
. No one will upgrade into DEN for years
I tend to agree with your post but I always remind myself that this industry is bipolar.

Someone could leave network planning or the head suite could reshuffle in the wake of a retirement and then a wild burr could appear in the saddle and all the sudden Denver is the new hotness again.

Who knows. I know this is a huge quality of life hit for those affected by it and that number is only growing.
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Old 02-18-2026 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
There's a flow chart on SWAPA that says what qualifies for DRR. Downgrade to avoid displacement doesn't qualify. So upgrade into DEN would be based on your system seniority as everyone who was booted and is forced into commuting gets DRR.

So if you want to stay in DEN....don't change the bid. You don't have a 6 mo seat lock I believe so you could (re)upgrade to AUS or wherever....but getting back to DEN would require system seniority via a secondary.

I'd run all this by Contract Admin just to be on the safe side....
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I tend to agree with your post but I always remind myself that this industry is bipolar.

Someone could leave network planning or the head suite could reshuffle in the wake of a retirement and then a wild burr could appear in the saddle and all the sudden Denver is the new hotness again.

Who knows. I know this is a huge quality of life hit for those affected by it and that number is only growing.
agreed. I think ill ride out the super senority through the next vacation bid then reassess.
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Old 02-18-2026 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by hoover
agreed. I think ill ride out the super senority through the next vacation bid then reassess.
That was my only hesitation about downgrading….was not knowing when I’d ever get back to DEN CA. Having a good schedule finally would be nice though….
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