SWA to open ATL Base
12-30-2012, 10:38 AM
#21
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You are killing me Noel.
Not sure who this Noel is you speak of... but I am in fact happy that we had a reasonable SLI... i.e., most held the same seat day before and day after the SLI... makes for a much more pleasant cockpit. Plus, it was the right thing to do... and don't forget, Jesus was a socialist.
P.s., It would be great if one could express one's opinion in a civil manner, without the use of personal attacks... just a dream of mine.
All the best to you & yours as well.
Not sure who this Noel is you speak of... but I am in fact happy that we had a reasonable SLI... i.e., most held the same seat day before and day after the SLI... makes for a much more pleasant cockpit. Plus, it was the right thing to do... and don't forget, Jesus was a socialist.
P.s., It would be great if one could express one's opinion in a civil manner, without the use of personal attacks... just a dream of mine.
All the best to you & yours as well.
12-30-2012, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolf
Management on both sides made this bed. WE get to sleep in it. Blaming each other is a dream come true for management during our sec6.
So don't tell me that it was management alone that is the cause of this. If you thought we were getting the shaft then you should have voted NO, but you didn't. Neither did 86% (myself not included) of our group since they felt like their jobs were on the line if we rejected the second "offer".
Just admit it. The only way the YES vote would have been higher on your side is if it was a pure staple job instead of the partial staple that we received. You're fooling NO ONE.
12-30-2012, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by gerz
WH,
You were probably at AirTran because Delta wouldn't/didn't hire you. Your Value Jet core has great guys like Larry Beam. I'm sure you fit in well there.
Why do I think you hated it? Well let me just call it experience with your type. 98% strike vote? You voted your own union off the property only to get hosed by ALPA.
Why are you coming to SWA? The truth is you got nowhere else to go. To paraphrase "An Office and Gentleman." As far as being a PIA, SWA is not afraid to show tough LUV.
SWA is as close to bullet proof as I've seen.
Welcome aboard!!!
You were probably at AirTran because Delta wouldn't/didn't hire you. Your Value Jet core has great guys like Larry Beam. I'm sure you fit in well there.
Why do I think you hated it? Well let me just call it experience with your type. 98% strike vote? You voted your own union off the property only to get hosed by ALPA.
Why are you coming to SWA? The truth is you got nowhere else to go. To paraphrase "An Office and Gentleman." As far as being a PIA, SWA is not afraid to show tough LUV.
SWA is as close to bullet proof as I've seen.
Welcome aboard!!!
Why don't you check with your fellow SWA pilots who claim to know who I am and you'll see that my background is very pro union.
"SWA is as close to bullet proof as I've seen."
As for your quote above........well, I think that sums things up pretty well.
12-31-2012, 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Rolf
Management on both sides made this bed. WE get to sleep in it. Blaming each other is a dream come true for management during our sec6.
12-31-2012, 07:23 AM
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I voted yes because I thought a yes vote was the lesser of two evils. I am well aware that our junior pilots are looking at longer upgrades and displacements from the east. I am also aware that Airtran lost relative seniority. My apologies for leaving out the remaining evils committed by both sides. The fact still remains that we will now be one list.
12-31-2012, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolf
I voted yes because I thought a yes vote was the lesser of two evils. I am well aware that our junior pilots are looking at longer upgrades and displacements from the east. I am also aware that Airtran lost relative seniority. My apologies for leaving out the remaining evils committed by both sides. The fact still remains that we will now be one list.
At the very least you got ALL of our 737 Cptn seats for your upgrades (over 300), and with the early departure of the 717s several hundred more. So basically you got about 75% of our Cptn seats and stapled 50% of our F/Os.
What kind of "evils" exactly has the AAI side committed? Surely you're not talking about our senior downgrades coming into bases as F/Os and bumping SWA F/Os down in bidding are you? I love hearing the stories about your F/Os being ****ed because that's happening. Well, IF WE WOULD HAVE JUST KEPT OUR SEATS IT WOULDN'T BE HAPPENING, but now that it is it's the least we can do for ya!
12-31-2012, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
You forgot one little detail. The bed that was made by "management" also had the help of a union that covienently looked the other way......
01-01-2013, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Rolf
You don't suppose AT ALPA stonewalling had anything to do with the second offer?
It seems that you (and your F/As especially for some reason, but whatever....
) have this impression that our leadership went rogue and just decided to send the first offer back w/o us voting on it. They were only doing what the majority of the membership who made their voice heard was asking them to do, not "stonewalling".
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