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Old 12-21-2013 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Only their new 800s have the short field package that you describe.
I know we don't have it at AT. I don't think SW does either. 24K jets btw.
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Old 12-21-2013 | 05:53 PM
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I know we don't have it at AT. I don't think SW does either. 24K jets btw.
Is SW not getting the -7BE engines at 28.4K? Figured they would do that for interchangeability with their new jets.
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Old 12-21-2013 | 07:05 PM
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Is SW not getting the -7BE engines at 28.4K? Figured they would do that for interchangeability with their new jets.
Not really sure.
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Old 12-21-2013 | 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Is SW not getting the -7BE engines at 28.4K? Figured they would do that for interchangeability with their new jets.
Most of their 700s are the 24k motors. There might be a few with the 27k engines.
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Old 12-22-2013 | 03:13 AM
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The problem with EYW is not the aircraft or takeoff but a landing issue, and that has to do with SWA's definition of wet runway. From what we have been told AirTran and Delta have a definition, basically due to grooved runways, that allowed EWY to be considered dry when there was rain. The POI for SWA won't allow the OpSpecs to be changed due to SWA "being a distressed carrier due to the merger."
So when it rains at EWY the runway is wet and the max landing weight only allows about 100 pax to be flown in, considering you also need to have fuel for an alternate.
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Old 12-22-2013 | 07:04 AM
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the bigger issue, the forest (not the trees: runway length ) is they are pulling out, while others stay.

In sports this is called, throwing in the towel.
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Old 12-22-2013 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by tanker
The problem with EYW is not the aircraft or takeoff but a landing issue, and that has to do with SWA's definition of wet runway. From what we have been told AirTran and Delta have a definition, basically due to grooved runways, that allowed EWY to be considered dry when there was rain. The POI for SWA won't allow the OpSpecs to be changed due to SWA "being a distressed carrier due to the merger."
So when it rains at EWY the runway is wet and the max landing weight only allows about 100 pax to be flown in, considering you also need to have fuel for an alternate.
The 737 always has to use wet numbers for takeoff when its been raining due to aircraft certification... grooved or not. The A320 series is the same.
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Old 12-23-2013 | 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
The 737 always has to use wet numbers for takeoff when its been raining due to aircraft certification... grooved or not.
That's not the case at AirTran.
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Old 12-23-2013 | 07:08 AM
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That would explain the difference.
Merry Christmas all,

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Old 12-23-2013 | 10:37 AM
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due to grooved runways, that allowed EWY to be considered dry when there was rain.
Exactly. It's called skid resistant runway data. Boeing has it. If runway is grooved, it is essentially considered "dry" for takeoff and landing data.


The POI for SWA won't allow the OpSpecs to be changed due to SWA "being a distressed carrier due to the merger."
Ironic isn't it?

We buy Airtran and gain access to EWY.

We then have to close EWY - because we bought Airtran.
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