How much TT to get call?
04-02-2017, 04:29 PM
#101
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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski
So here's one for the group:
Seventeen years ago I pinked my Commercial and my CFI check rides. I passed each on retest one week after the fact. I've disclosed this on my application.
In the years since, I've passed two type rides, and every line check and recurrent event I've ever had. I've been a chief pilot, and ACP, and a Standards Captain. My record has been clean ever since.
How heavily do you figure those two busts figure in the hiring/interview equation? Obviously they figure, or the company wouldn't ask that they be disclosed.
I've never interviewed and never gotten the call. I'm wondering if those busts might be the thing that's holding me back.
My stats, btw, are:
8800 TT
3200 TPIC
Three types (no 737)
Heavy international
Part 91K, 135 (no 121)
Seventeen years ago I pinked my Commercial and my CFI check rides. I passed each on retest one week after the fact. I've disclosed this on my application.
In the years since, I've passed two type rides, and every line check and recurrent event I've ever had. I've been a chief pilot, and ACP, and a Standards Captain. My record has been clean ever since.
How heavily do you figure those two busts figure in the hiring/interview equation? Obviously they figure, or the company wouldn't ask that they be disclosed.
I've never interviewed and never gotten the call. I'm wondering if those busts might be the thing that's holding me back.
My stats, btw, are:
8800 TT
3200 TPIC
Three types (no 737)
Heavy international
Part 91K, 135 (no 121)
Just spoke to an interviewer yesterday here in Dallas about this. They don't care about busts as long as they have been overcome and you own up. Like not at all.
Keep trucking man. Hiring 780 this year (training center capacity) and allegedly more next year. The lady I talked to said to apply to every rec and update monthly. That will give you your best chance.
04-02-2017, 04:55 PM
#102
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Originally Posted by Doc1010
So I've been trying for SWA for a couple years, but really drilled them down as my numero uno a year ago and am curious what course may increase my chances. I meet and exceed all of the mins. I have a perfectly clean record, both aviation and personal. I have a bachelor's outside of aviation. I also went to the September 2016 open house and it went just fine. All of my flight time is civilian time flying corporate, no 121 time and just a small handful of 135.
Presently, I'm flying a large cabin corporate jet, both domestic and international, but only logging SIC (PIC Typed but not signing the part 91 docs or flight plan on my legs). Previously, I was a Citation PIC.
I'm in the conundrum of what to do to raise SWA's awareness of me. I'm just shy of 5,000TT so I'm wondering if that's the major issue.
Would I be better off logging more TPIC? I don't fly more than 325 hours per year so it's not building very quickly. I have the option of joining the 135 world as a Citation PIC and would certainly fly more than I am currently, but I'm not sure if that's the right missing piece. There's not much of a chance to upgrade at the current place for a number of years hence the thought of working the tail off for a few years at 135.
Any thoughts on the civilian picture for SWA hiring? Thanks for any thoughts!
Presently, I'm flying a large cabin corporate jet, both domestic and international, but only logging SIC (PIC Typed but not signing the part 91 docs or flight plan on my legs). Previously, I was a Citation PIC.
I'm in the conundrum of what to do to raise SWA's awareness of me. I'm just shy of 5,000TT so I'm wondering if that's the major issue.
Would I be better off logging more TPIC? I don't fly more than 325 hours per year so it's not building very quickly. I have the option of joining the 135 world as a Citation PIC and would certainly fly more than I am currently, but I'm not sure if that's the right missing piece. There's not much of a chance to upgrade at the current place for a number of years hence the thought of working the tail off for a few years at 135.
Any thoughts on the civilian picture for SWA hiring? Thanks for any thoughts!
Have your resume looked at by someone who knows what to look for as far as formatting or grammar.
Are you a check airman?
Are you a manager of anything?
Are you a community volunteer?
Letters of recommendation uploaded?
Any internals?
737 type?
04-02-2017, 05:10 PM
#103
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Posts: 67
Originally Posted by at6d
Make sure you update regularly.
Have your resume looked at by someone who knows what to look for as far as formatting or grammar.
Are you a check airman?
Are you a manager of anything?
Are you a community volunteer?
Letters of recommendation uploaded?
Any internals?
737 type?
Have your resume looked at by someone who knows what to look for as far as formatting or grammar.
Are you a check airman?
Are you a manager of anything?
Are you a community volunteer?
Letters of recommendation uploaded?
Any internals?
737 type?
I update religiously. I have April's flights saved in there already. I keep hoping there's something obviously wrong in there, but everything looks good!
I've had some friends look over the apps and credentials and I've made every sentence parallel, addresses and phone numbers formatted exactly the same, and dotted all i's and crossed all t's. No pay-service yet. I'm not opposed if it's a solid boost.
No check airman as we don't do that at our 91 shop unfortunately. No history of that, either. Our "standards" rides all are accomplished by our CP, which will, in all likelihood, never be me. Our CP will be around for awhile. Next in line after him is already written on the wall, too.
Manager of...hmmmm.... wife and kids? That's a full time job 'round these parts.
Former aircraft manager but not for a 10+ pilot company. I have a couple internal positions with my company, all of which are listed on my resume but don't fit any checkboxes on SWA. As for volunteering, what I've done is listed. It's not years of experience but it's something!
Internals, unfortunately not. Almost every pilot I'm buddies with are corporate, regional or other major/LCC. So I have yet to meet a SWA person. That's the downside of not having done aviation in college. Those contacts are flying desks these days.
Presently 3 types, none of which start with a B or a 7.
The "no failures" boxes are checked but there's not a lot else I'll be able to check with my current company. I know - it's a tough sell. But man o man am I a fungi.
Last edited by Doc1010; 04-02-2017 at 05:21 PM.
04-03-2017, 01:23 PM
#104
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Cabin Temp Management Specialist
Posts: 277
Originally Posted by e6bpilot
Just spoke to an interviewer yesterday here in Dallas about this. They don't care about busts as long as they have been overcome and you own up. Like not at all.
Keep trucking man. Hiring 780 this year (training center capacity) and allegedly more next year. The lady I talked to said to apply to every rec and update monthly. That will give you your best chance.
Keep trucking man. Hiring 780 this year (training center capacity) and allegedly more next year. The lady I talked to said to apply to every rec and update monthly. That will give you your best chance.
04-03-2017, 01:38 PM
#105
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Cabin Temp Management Specialist
Posts: 277
Originally Posted by Doc1010
Thanks for the reply!
I update religiously. I have April's flights saved in there already. I keep hoping there's something obviously wrong in there, but everything looks good!
I've had some friends look over the apps and credentials and I've made every sentence parallel, addresses and phone numbers formatted exactly the same, and dotted all i's and crossed all t's. No pay-service yet. I'm not opposed if it's a solid boost.
No check airman as we don't do that at our 91 shop unfortunately. No history of that, either. Our "standards" rides all are accomplished by our CP, which will, in all likelihood, never be me. Our CP will be around for awhile. Next in line after him is already written on the wall, too.
Manager of...hmmmm.... wife and kids? That's a full time job 'round these parts. Former aircraft manager but not for a 10+ pilot company. I have a couple internal positions with my company, all of which are listed on my resume but don't fit any checkboxes on SWA.
As for volunteering, what I've done is listed. It's not years of experience but it's something!
Internals, unfortunately not. Almost every pilot I'm buddies with are corporate, regional or other major/LCC. So I have yet to meet a SWA person. That's the downside of not having done aviation in college. Those contacts are flying desks these days.
Presently 3 types, none of which start with a B or a 7.
The "no failures" boxes are checked but there's not a lot else I'll be able to check with my current company. I know - it's a tough sell. But man o man am I a fungi.
I update religiously. I have April's flights saved in there already. I keep hoping there's something obviously wrong in there, but everything looks good!
I've had some friends look over the apps and credentials and I've made every sentence parallel, addresses and phone numbers formatted exactly the same, and dotted all i's and crossed all t's. No pay-service yet. I'm not opposed if it's a solid boost.
No check airman as we don't do that at our 91 shop unfortunately. No history of that, either. Our "standards" rides all are accomplished by our CP, which will, in all likelihood, never be me. Our CP will be around for awhile. Next in line after him is already written on the wall, too.
Manager of...hmmmm.... wife and kids? That's a full time job 'round these parts.
Former aircraft manager but not for a 10+ pilot company. I have a couple internal positions with my company, all of which are listed on my resume but don't fit any checkboxes on SWA. As for volunteering, what I've done is listed. It's not years of experience but it's something!
Internals, unfortunately not. Almost every pilot I'm buddies with are corporate, regional or other major/LCC. So I have yet to meet a SWA person. That's the downside of not having done aviation in college. Those contacts are flying desks these days.
Presently 3 types, none of which start with a B or a 7.
The "no failures" boxes are checked but there's not a lot else I'll be able to check with my current company. I know - it's a tough sell. But man o man am I a fungi.
NINE YEARS at a fractional where the fleet I was hired into had the same two standards dudes/LCA's and the same three sim instructors for the whole time I was there, and no chance to change fleets, either. I was a P2P rep for my union, so I threw that in there thinking it might show I at least tried.
New job: Part 135, but all the Standards/Line Check guys are based in the city where the company is headquartered, so no luck there, either.
I do have some aviation management experience and Part 135 Chief Pilot experience, but it was all for small companies that don't quite rise to the level of box-checking.
Four year degree from a name university: Si.
Two check ride busts back in my ab initio days
Two bizjet types
Cub scout Den Leader for the past three years
Yard of the Month Winner, Spring 2015
Come on Southwest, call me in!
04-03-2017, 05:08 PM
#106
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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski
Sounds like you and I are in more or less the same boat.
NINE YEARS at a fractional where the fleet I was hired into had the same two standards dudes/LCA's and the same three sim instructors for the whole time I was there, and no chance to change fleets, either. I was a P2P rep for my union, so I threw that in there thinking it might show I at least tried.
New job: Part 135, but all the Standards/Line Check guys are based in the city where the company is headquartered, so no luck there, either.
I do have some aviation management experience and Part 135 Chief Pilot experience, but it was all for small companies that don't quite rise to the level of box-checking.
Four year degree from a name university: Si.
Two check ride busts back in my ab initio days
Two bizjet types
Cub scout Den Leader for the past three years
Yard of the Month Winner, Spring 2015
Come on Southwest, call me in!
NINE YEARS at a fractional where the fleet I was hired into had the same two standards dudes/LCA's and the same three sim instructors for the whole time I was there, and no chance to change fleets, either. I was a P2P rep for my union, so I threw that in there thinking it might show I at least tried.
New job: Part 135, but all the Standards/Line Check guys are based in the city where the company is headquartered, so no luck there, either.
I do have some aviation management experience and Part 135 Chief Pilot experience, but it was all for small companies that don't quite rise to the level of box-checking.
Four year degree from a name university: Si.
Two check ride busts back in my ab initio days
Two bizjet types
Cub scout Den Leader for the past three years
Yard of the Month Winner, Spring 2015
Come on Southwest, call me in!
04-05-2017, 05:23 PM
#108
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 588
I wish I could unlock the secret.
10k+ TT
7k 121
8k+ jet
6k+ TPic
6 types
Bachelors w/ honors
0 busts or fails
0 incidents/accidents
0 blimishes
Been applying for 10 yrs + job fairs = 0 interviews
Fingers still crossed :
I think the 0 check airman/instructor has hurt me
10k+ TT
7k 121
8k+ jet
6k+ TPic
6 types
Bachelors w/ honors
0 busts or fails
0 incidents/accidents
0 blimishes
Been applying for 10 yrs + job fairs = 0 interviews
Fingers still crossed :
I think the 0 check airman/instructor has hurt me
04-05-2017, 06:10 PM
#109
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Posts: 104
Originally Posted by Skyward
I wish I could unlock the secret.
10k+ TT
7k 121
8k+ jet
6k+ TPic
6 types
Bachelors w/ honors
0 busts or fails
0 incidents/accidents
0 blimishes
Been applying for 10 yrs + job fairs = 0 interviews
Fingers still crossed :
I think the 0 check airman/instructor has hurt me
10k+ TT
7k 121
8k+ jet
6k+ TPic
6 types
Bachelors w/ honors
0 busts or fails
0 incidents/accidents
0 blimishes
Been applying for 10 yrs + job fairs = 0 interviews
Fingers still crossed :
I think the 0 check airman/instructor has hurt me
04-05-2017, 07:07 PM
#110
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 588
Originally Posted by Bushmaster09
Sounds almost exactly like me, same time, same 10 plus years, rarely missing a window. Except I have blimishes..... And I got the interview invite last week. I think the secret is updating your app exactly as posted here on another thread. Its a computer scoring you, not a reasonable human being. Make everything add up nicely. Put date avail +3 months, make sure there are absolutely no breaks in dates in employment history or addresses. Exact flight times. Go over every section very very carefully and make sure there is nothing misinterpreted. Maybe have another set of eyes or two go over it.
Congrats on the invite!!!!
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