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NFjt 04-21-2017 06:58 AM

Hey guys, just a friendly reminder
 

Originally Posted by labbats (Post 2348000)
Sorry to bring it up but a lot of those pay scales are outdated and in fact much higher.



Allegiant CA pay is now around $8-9/hr higher than that chart.



I think delta and American have changed since as well. We should get a fresh and new comparison soon.

Qotsaautopilot 04-21-2017 09:10 AM

If anyone doesn't have the 86 page United contract comparison guide they put out a few weeks ago I suggest you get a copy and enlighten yourself and anyone you come in contact with.

Wanderlust 04-21-2017 09:16 AM

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flyingpuma1 04-21-2017 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by StrykerB21 (Post 2347894)
I didnt see Frontier either.



Frontier I think is still in bankruptcy rates as they are currently trying to negotiate a new contract


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AllForTheWookie 04-21-2017 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by Flyondawall (Post 2347972)
So, you one of the guys that carries write ups until you get to a Mx base so you don't inconvenience the customer?

Absolutely not! I operate strickly legally and safely. This is aviation, delays are going to happen but I am not going to go out of my way to ensure they occur (like purposely heating up the brakes).

I care about our customers and I want to give them the best experience I can.

AllForTheWookie 04-21-2017 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by coolyokeluke (Post 2348004)
And a few months later Hanjin went bankrupt. Not chapter 11, they dissolved, kaput. So the longshoreman would have lost out either way in Portland.

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Maybe, my point is Spirit will still need customers after the new contract so don't burn the place down in the process.

GravyTracker 04-21-2017 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by AllForTheWookie (Post 2348224)
Absolutely not! I operate strickly legally and safely. This is aviation, delays are going to happen but I am not going to go out of my way to ensure they occur (like purposely heating up the brakes).

I care about our customers and I want to give them the best experience I can.

Take the brakes, for example.

Am I going to mash them down, add power, to get them to overheat. No

Am I going to care about the temps anymore this summer, because I taxi on 2 engines, LAS is hot, and the taxi to 25R is downhill..Nope

These cheap fools didnt want to get brake fans, the spent their money on videos staring Johno and throwing parties for ukulele playing fools. So because of that, if they are at 300 degrees, so be it. Ill wait it out in the pad and get paid in the process. Oh, thats right....the company snagged our block of better per leg, so now I need to fly slow on the next leg to not lose any money.

And in the end, the passenger gets the punishment of the longer flight and maybe a misconnect because of waiting on brakes to cool down.

Suck for them, but like I have said before, this is the game Management wants. Anyone still enabling them by calling for paperwork, picking up trips, Standing Avail list, letting the plane roll to 40 kts before applying brakes, is just enabling this company and their actions.

Retaining customers should be the furthest thing from this pilot group's mind right now. This is not our problem. Once we have a respectful contract I will go back to caring about the product.

AllForTheWookie 04-21-2017 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by GravyTracker (Post 2348236)
Take the brakes, for example.

Am I going to mash them down, add power, to get them to overheat. No

Am I going to care about the temps anymore this summer, because I taxi on 2 engines, LAS is hot, and the taxi to 25R is downhill..Nope

These cheap fools didnt want to get brake fans, the spent their money on videos staring Johno and throwing parties for ukulele playing fools. So because of that, if they are at 300 degrees, so be it. Ill wait it out in the pad and get paid in the process. Oh, thats right....the company snagged our block of better per leg, so now I need to fly slow on the next leg to not lose any money.

And in the end, the passenger gets the punishment of the longer flight and maybe a misconnect because of waiting on brakes to cool down.

Suck for them, but like I have said before, this is the game Management wants. Anyone still enabling them by calling for paperwork, picking up trips, Standing Avail list, letting the plane roll to 40 kts before applying brakes, is just enabling this company and their actions.

Retaining customers should be the furthest thing from this pilot group's mind right now. This is not our problem. Once we have a respectful contract I will go back to caring about the product.

I agree with you 99% but in regards to the passengers they are still a top priority for me. Once a new contract is reached the pilot group will need the customers to be buying tickets to pay salaries.

RonnyK320 04-22-2017 05:59 AM


Originally Posted by AllForTheWookie (Post 2348307)
I agree with you 99% but in regards to the passengers they are still a top priority for me. Once a new contract is reached the pilot group will need the customers to be buying tickets to pay salaries.

So are you going to cross the picket line when we strike just because you care about the passengers? Just stop, maybe we'll get a contract without striking.

Flyondawall 04-22-2017 06:11 AM

Multiple delays in the system today. Delayed several hours because of no crews, specifically pilots.👍


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