What are you doing with Bendo's offer?
09-14-2017 | 08:56 PM
#51
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09-14-2017 | 09:27 PM
#52
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Ummmm okay...so IF during a downturn and 1/3 of the airlines just took concessionary contracts, I'm sure you'll be the first one to argue that the good contracts are irrelevant and we should strive for concessions also because those are the newest contracts and we should get the average of those. Hmmmm
Your housing example is just crazy!
Companies should pay fair market rate based on their segment of the industry. Market rate is whatever your competitors in your segment of the industry CURRENTLY pays.
To argue that, well... they're negotiating right now and will have a better contract soon thus we should compare ourselves to their next contract has as merit as the company saying, "well, 2 contracts from now Alaska/virgin will have a contract during a downturn so we'll use that as a baseline."
Face it, your union and the outspoken clowns has backed your position into a corner. For the sake of saving face at this point, I don't see y'all willing to come out and accept anything but legacy rates. And I believe the NMB will see the company's proposal as entirely reasonable and will stop any strike before it starts. Y'all are basically stuck in this hellhole of a stalemate for years to come.
Thank goodness there's full retro!!! Good luck!
Your housing example is just crazy!
Companies should pay fair market rate based on their segment of the industry. Market rate is whatever your competitors in your segment of the industry CURRENTLY pays.
To argue that, well... they're negotiating right now and will have a better contract soon thus we should compare ourselves to their next contract has as merit as the company saying, "well, 2 contracts from now Alaska/virgin will have a contract during a downturn so we'll use that as a baseline."
Face it, your union and the outspoken clowns has backed your position into a corner. For the sake of saving face at this point, I don't see y'all willing to come out and accept anything but legacy rates. And I believe the NMB will see the company's proposal as entirely reasonable and will stop any strike before it starts. Y'all are basically stuck in this hellhole of a stalemate for years to come.
Thank goodness there's full retro!!! Good luck!
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09-15-2017 | 07:01 AM
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Ummmm okay...so IF during a downturn and 1/3 of the airlines just took concessionary contracts, I'm sure you'll be the first one to argue that the good contracts are irrelevant and we should strive for concessions also because those are the newest contracts and we should get the average of those. Hmmmm
How so? You're trying to find the current value of something. Not the value of something from 2011. What houses are selling for NOW is what is relevant.
Companies should pay fair market rate based on their segment of the industry. Market rate is whatever your competitors in your segment of the industry CURRENTLY pays.
To argue that, well... they're negotiating right now and will have a better contract soon thus we should compare ourselves to their next contract has as merit as the company saying, "well, 2 contracts from now Alaska/virgin will have a contract during a downturn so we'll use that as a baseline."
To argue that, well... they're negotiating right now and will have a better contract soon thus we should compare ourselves to their next contract has as merit as the company saying, "well, 2 contracts from now Alaska/virgin will have a contract during a downturn so we'll use that as a baseline."
09-15-2017 | 01:15 PM
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You obviously don't know much if any about AA work rules..
- When a trip is cancelled you DO NOT go on reserve. If a 3 day trip is cancelled they can assign you another trip BUT only if it stays within the original footprint. Obviously with some contractual limitations.
I agree the 4 days off between trips is nice but other than that I can't find anything else.
- When a trip is cancelled you DO NOT go on reserve. If a 3 day trip is cancelled they can assign you another trip BUT only if it stays within the original footprint. Obviously with some contractual limitations.
I agree the 4 days off between trips is nice but other than that I can't find anything else.
That's called reserve! And there is no choice given, it's take this trip or leave it. If you decline it guess what, you lose all pay protection!
09-15-2017 | 01:18 PM
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I can understand your viewpoint but that just isn't reality. The way to solve it is for a short contract length (3 years) and/or a "me too" trim up clause like at AA.
09-15-2017 | 03:03 PM
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You can refuse a trip as a line holder, what's your point? Former LUS or AWA? Regardless, not the approptiate thread to discuss AA stuff.
09-16-2017 | 10:25 AM
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Yes, what houses actually sold for. Not listed for which is what you are doing by comparing a contract that doesn't even have a T/A.
I can understand your viewpoint but that just isn't reality. The way to solve it is for a short contract length (3 years) and/or a "me too" trim up clause like at AA.
I can understand your viewpoint but that just isn't reality. The way to solve it is for a short contract length (3 years) and/or a "me too" trim up clause like at AA.
The others are the invalid numbers due to non-current contracts. Those are houses that are on the market but have not yet sold, and the only info available is what the purchase price was the previous time they were sold after the last real-estate bubble burst.
Comparing yourself to JetBlue/Alaska/Virgin/Frontier pre-TA rates is doing exactly what you're arguing against.
Last edited by pete2800; 09-16-2017 at 10:40 AM.
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