What are you doing with Bendo's offer?
09-16-2017, 10:39 AM
#61
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 316
Which contracts was I making comparisons to that weren't even TA's yet? DAL/UAL/AMR/SWA/HAL/Allegiant are all post-ratification current contracts. The others are the invalid numbers due to non-current contracts. Comparing yourself to JetBlue/Alaska/Virgin/Frontier pre-TA rates is doing exactly what you're arguing against.
Are we still using housing as an example? Because that's about as apples to kiwi as it can be. How about for the same house exact house, it value is less in lower cost neighborhoods/cities/areas of the country. And some of those houses even though it looks the same, has foundation issues and/or flood damage.
Yes yes, I know my statements has fallacies in them. Because it's a stupid comparison.
09-16-2017, 10:41 AM
#62
Works Every Weekend
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,210
I know you'd like them to be invalid because they're low, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way. They're still paying those rates thus they're current and valid. There
Are we still using housing as an example? Because that's about as apples to kiwi as it can be. How about for the same house exact house, it value is less in lower cost neighborhoods/cities/areas of the country. And some of those houses even though it looks the same, has foundation issues and/or flood damage.
Yes yes, I know my statements has fallacies in them. Because it's a stupid comparison.
Are we still using housing as an example? Because that's about as apples to kiwi as it can be. How about for the same house exact house, it value is less in lower cost neighborhoods/cities/areas of the country. And some of those houses even though it looks the same, has foundation issues and/or flood damage.
Yes yes, I know my statements has fallacies in them. Because it's a stupid comparison.
As for foundation damage, I can't help it if they keep buying Airbuses...
02-06-2018, 03:19 PM
#65
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: A320HD
Posts: 307
Honestly I don't think they care about the pay as much as they want work rules gone. We give away rules for pay, biggest mistake ever. Will get use to the bigger house nicer car, prettier boat but when we're doing lines with 14 days off, no schedule integrity,can't drop back to the company and flying to PT 117 limits, life will suck no matter the pay.
02-11-2018, 06:29 PM
#67
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 39
Honestly I don't think they care about the pay as much as they want work rules gone. We give away rules for pay, biggest mistake ever. Will get use to the bigger house nicer car, prettier boat but when we're doing lines with 14 days off, no schedule integrity,can't drop back to the company and flying to PT 117 limits, life will suck no matter the pay.
I'm curious- why the 180 degree shift in attitude from September?
02-11-2018, 07:28 PM
#69
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Position: Yellow bus
Posts: 175
Reality. Maybe some understanding. Just like almost everyone else was hoping for it all. Bottom line is there is just way too much risk for what we might gain back. I think Paul makes some valid points on what is likely to happen if this is rejected.
Not drinking any koolaid but trying to listen and learn as much as I can from everyone and I believe if our NC thought we could do better we wouldn’t be voting right now.
I started looking at the forums around that time and today have decided this is it for me. Too much BS and bashing and drama. Life is too short to waste it on a here I have too many other hobbies then this. Good luck to everyone, flame away cause I’m not going to read any more responses.
Not drinking any koolaid but trying to listen and learn as much as I can from everyone and I believe if our NC thought we could do better we wouldn’t be voting right now.
I started looking at the forums around that time and today have decided this is it for me. Too much BS and bashing and drama. Life is too short to waste it on a here I have too many other hobbies then this. Good luck to everyone, flame away cause I’m not going to read any more responses.
02-11-2018, 07:54 PM
#70
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 39
I'm not on here to disparage, berate, or otherwise lessen the value of any of my colleagues. Quite the opposite.
Time is scarce and unlike a second, legitimate offer from Spirit Airlines, there's no way to get time back.
Vote wisely.
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