What are you doing with Bendo's offer?
09-14-2017 | 12:40 PM
#41
escaped
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 227
Likes: 0
Nah, I don't work at Spirit, but there aren't that many comparisons. Frontier's is a bankruptcy driven, Virgin won't exist anymore, Alaska is pending arbitration, and Jetblue has been in negotiations for a while now.
When you're selling a house, you compare to current values, not values that homes on that street sold at 5 years ago. The current, valid, negotiated union contracts are Delta, American, United, Southwest, Hawaiian, and Allegiant. That's it. Run those numbers if you want averages.
When you're selling a house, you compare to current values, not values that homes on that street sold at 5 years ago. The current, valid, negotiated union contracts are Delta, American, United, Southwest, Hawaiian, and Allegiant. That's it. Run those numbers if you want averages.
GREAT point.
Thank you.
09-14-2017 | 12:50 PM
#42
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 630
Likes: 0
From: Airbus
Nah, I don't work at Spirit, but there aren't that many comparisons. Frontier's is a bankruptcy driven, Virgin won't exist anymore, Alaska is pending arbitration, and Jetblue has been in negotiations for a while now.
When you're selling a house, you compare to current values, not values that homes on that street sold at 5 years ago. The current, valid, negotiated union contracts are Delta, American, United, Southwest, Hawaiian, and Allegiant. That's it. Run those numbers if you want averages.
When you're selling a house, you compare to current values, not values that homes on that street sold at 5 years ago. The current, valid, negotiated union contracts are Delta, American, United, Southwest, Hawaiian, and Allegiant. That's it. Run those numbers if you want averages.
Last edited by Green Giant; 09-14-2017 at 01:03 PM.
09-14-2017 | 01:01 PM
#43
Line Holder
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 490
Likes: 41
Without scope and LTD it's irellevant... those protections are necessity.
It's clear the NMB doesn't really care what we think is 'fair.' sounds like she thought a 43% improvement was sufficient. Now we are left to our own devices to get this
Thing moving.
To be sure the leverage we
Thought the NMB would provide by keeping us at the table has been lost. It will be what it will be . But don't go
Clark griswald and pay for that swimming pool this Xmas .
It's clear the NMB doesn't really care what we think is 'fair.' sounds like she thought a 43% improvement was sufficient. Now we are left to our own devices to get this
Thing moving.
To be sure the leverage we
Thought the NMB would provide by keeping us at the table has been lost. It will be what it will be . But don't go
Clark griswald and pay for that swimming pool this Xmas .
09-14-2017 | 07:23 PM
#45
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 4,153
Likes: 341
Keep in mind when comparing rates at the legacies:
Waiting may pay off as jetBlue should be upping theirs slightly but how much will you obtain by waiting? It's quite possible your NC is overstepping and still looking at rates. If you guys want better work rules it will cost on the rate side of the equation.
If you continue to be "unreasonable" in the eyes of the NMB you will be left in a hold for years, this is exactly what the company wants, the longer you hold out for best instead of accepting good or better now the more money they make and the closer we get to an economic downturn where things might not be so easy to negotiate. This was literally AA's story back in 2000-2001 time frame. The wanted UAL +%, it never happened and when the furloughs started that time had come and gone.
You definitely deserve WAY more than you are making now and it kinda pains me to see all the guys I've known go to Spirit waiting on this raise, I really did think it would happen for you by this time.
- Spirit work rules are probably better overall, especially better than AA
- Spirit doesn't contract out 50% of their flying to regionals with 76 and under aircraft, I would gladly make slightly less today to have had that flying be in house instead of spending close to a decade at a regional
- Comparing future rates or rates "being negotiated" is crazy and nuts, same as basing a home's value off sales that will be occurring in the future
Waiting may pay off as jetBlue should be upping theirs slightly but how much will you obtain by waiting? It's quite possible your NC is overstepping and still looking at rates. If you guys want better work rules it will cost on the rate side of the equation.
If you continue to be "unreasonable" in the eyes of the NMB you will be left in a hold for years, this is exactly what the company wants, the longer you hold out for best instead of accepting good or better now the more money they make and the closer we get to an economic downturn where things might not be so easy to negotiate. This was literally AA's story back in 2000-2001 time frame. The wanted UAL +%, it never happened and when the furloughs started that time had come and gone.
You definitely deserve WAY more than you are making now and it kinda pains me to see all the guys I've known go to Spirit waiting on this raise, I really did think it would happen for you by this time.
09-14-2017 | 07:33 PM
#46
Line Holder
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 85
Likes: 0
Keep in mind when comparing rates at the legacies:
Waiting may pay off as jetBlue should be upping theirs slightly but how much will you obtain by waiting? It's quite possible your NC is overstepping and still looking at rates. If you guys want better work rules it will cost on the rate side of the equation.
If you continue to be "unreasonable" in the eyes of the NMB you will be left in a hold for years, this is exactly what the company wants, the longer you hold out for best instead of accepting good or better now the more money they make and the closer we get to an economic downturn where things might not be so easy to negotiate. This was literally AA's story back in 2000-2001 time frame. The wanted UAL +%, it never happened and when the furloughs started that time had come and gone.
You definitely deserve WAY more than you are making now and it kinda pains me to see all the guys I've known go to Spirit waiting on this raise, I really did think it would happen for you by this time.
- Spirit work rules are probably better overall, especially better than AA
- Spirit doesn't contract out 50% of their flying to regionals with 76 and under aircraft, I would gladly make slightly less today to have had that flying be in house instead of spending close to a decade at a regional
- Comparing future rates or rates "being negotiated" is crazy and nuts, same as basing a home's value off sales that will be occurring in the future
Waiting may pay off as jetBlue should be upping theirs slightly but how much will you obtain by waiting? It's quite possible your NC is overstepping and still looking at rates. If you guys want better work rules it will cost on the rate side of the equation.
If you continue to be "unreasonable" in the eyes of the NMB you will be left in a hold for years, this is exactly what the company wants, the longer you hold out for best instead of accepting good or better now the more money they make and the closer we get to an economic downturn where things might not be so easy to negotiate. This was literally AA's story back in 2000-2001 time frame. The wanted UAL +%, it never happened and when the furloughs started that time had come and gone.
You definitely deserve WAY more than you are making now and it kinda pains me to see all the guys I've known go to Spirit waiting on this raise, I really did think it would happen for you by this time.
09-14-2017 | 07:48 PM
#47
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 4,153
Likes: 341
-
-
-
I'm not joking they are practically nonexistent. I don't know a ton about your contract but what I've picked up it is light years ahead in the QOL area than we are.
If your trip cancels do you go on reserve? At AA you do.
09-14-2017 | 07:58 PM
#48
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 316
Likes: 0
Nah, I don't work at Spirit, but there aren't that many comparisons. Frontier's is a bankruptcy driven, Virgin won't exist anymore, Alaska is pending arbitration, and Jetblue has been in negotiations for a while now.
When you're selling a house, you compare to current values, not values that homes on that street sold at 5 years ago. The current, valid, negotiated union contracts are Delta, American, United, Southwest, Hawaiian, and Allegiant. That's it. Run those numbers if you want averages.
When you're selling a house, you compare to current values, not values that homes on that street sold at 5 years ago. The current, valid, negotiated union contracts are Delta, American, United, Southwest, Hawaiian, and Allegiant. That's it. Run those numbers if you want averages.
Your housing example is just crazy!
Companies should pay fair market rate based on their segment of the industry. Market rate is whatever your competitors in your segment of the industry CURRENTLY pays.
To argue that, well... they're negotiating right now and will have a better contract soon thus we should compare ourselves to their next contract has as merit as the company saying, "well, 2 contracts from now Alaska/virgin will have a contract during a downturn so we'll use that as a baseline."
Face it, your union and the outspoken clowns has backed your position into a corner. For the sake of saving face at this point, I don't see y'all willing to come out and accept anything but legacy rates. And I believe the NMB will see the company's proposal as entirely reasonable and will stop any strike before it starts. Y'all are basically stuck in this hellhole of a stalemate for years to come.
Thank goodness there's full retro!!! Good luck!
09-14-2017 | 08:09 PM
#49
Line Holder
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 85
Likes: 0
- When a trip is cancelled you DO NOT go on reserve. If a 3 day trip is cancelled they can assign you another trip BUT only if it stays within the original footprint. Obviously with some contractual limitations.
I agree the 4 days off between trips is nice but other than that I can't find anything else.
Last edited by CRJoperator; 09-14-2017 at 08:25 PM.
09-14-2017 | 08:45 PM
#50
Line Holder
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 1,691
Likes: 21
From: 60’s Tech, Right
You obviously don't know much if any about AA work rules..
- When a trip is cancelled you DO NOT go on reserve. If a 3 day trip is cancelled they can assign you another trip BUT only if it stays within the original footprint. Obviously with some contractual limitations.
I agree the 4 days off between trips is nice but other than that I can't find anything else.
- When a trip is cancelled you DO NOT go on reserve. If a 3 day trip is cancelled they can assign you another trip BUT only if it stays within the original footprint. Obviously with some contractual limitations.
I agree the 4 days off between trips is nice but other than that I can't find anything else.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
