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Wool or wool blend is the only way to go
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Does anyone know how often classes are starting, and how many per class? Is it pretty easy to get an earlier class date than offered?
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Originally Posted by Positiveg
(Post 3414399)
Does anyone know how often classes are starting, and how many per class? Is it pretty easy to get an earlier class date than offered?
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I start training soon, any tips other than come to day 1 knowing flows/limitations/memory items?
How hard is the A320 to learn? |
Originally Posted by HELLAS
(Post 3414638)
I start training soon, any tips other than come to day 1 knowing flows/limitations/memory items?
How hard is the A320 to learn? |
Originally Posted by HELLAS
(Post 3414638)
I start training soon, any tips other than come to day 1 knowing flows/limitations/memory items?
How hard is the A320 to learn? |
Originally Posted by HELLAS
(Post 3414638)
I start training soon, any tips other than come to day 1 knowing flows/limitations/memory items?
How hard is the A320 to learn? But overall I thought the training was pretty easy and organized. The initial training has a pass rate of over 95 % so don’t believe anyone saying it’s so hard and you only get 5 sims. If someone says that it’s because they don’t know or didn’t study. My background I come from a Saab 340 so you don’t have to fly jets to learn this. Just have to put in the effort. |
Originally Posted by Rubber Ducky
(Post 3414956)
Just know your flows well before coming. Limitations, memory items, and proficiency items are the next things of importance but not as necessary for per say day 1. By the beginning of week 2 you will need to have a good idea of doing a difsripp; know your briefings; and know when to call for what checklist and how to correctly do the flow and the triggers that start each one. End of week two you will have a gate that you will need to show that you can Satisfactory fly a flight from point a to point b doing all flows and checklist correctly. They might give a little if you mess up a thing or two but at this point you should have it down good.
But overall I thought the training was pretty easy and organized. The initial training has a pass rate of over 95 % so don’t believe anyone saying it’s so hard and you only get 5 sims. If someone says that it’s because they don’t know or didn’t study. My background I come from a Saab 340 so you don’t have to fly jets to learn this. Just have to put in the effort. |
Upgrades
Hey F9er here, how many upgrades have you ran this year? I dug back a few pages to find an answer with no luck. Thanks!!!
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Originally Posted by TurboFanMan
(Post 3419570)
Hey F9er here, how many upgrades have you ran this year? I dug back a few pages to find an answer with no luck. Thanks!!!
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Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator
(Post 3419589)
10 a month since the start of the year
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Originally Posted by TurboFanMan
(Post 3419677)
Thank you much!!
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
(Post 3419678)
Supposedly going up to 30+ in the summer, so it should be around 200+ ,conservatively.
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Originally Posted by sioux8ships
(Post 3419729)
We will have to figure something out for that to happen. Netting 20-30 pilots a month after attrition isn’t helping out.
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Any insights on what the training is like for new pilots at NK post covid, since NK has lowered hiring Mins ? Currently PIC typed on CL30 with 1100 TT hours serving as an FO for a 135. Read on here going to spirit would be a bad idea, I’ve also read it wouldn’t be a bad idea if I study hard. Going to Spirit at 1500 sounds appealing but I would also like to avoid a 121 failure on my record. I don’t have my ATP yet. But I am familiar with flying a jet and the automation. Any help would be appreciated.
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
(Post 3419738)
We have somewhere around 20 new airplanes coming online. We definitely need to stop the bleeding.
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Originally Posted by Rubber Ducky
(Post 3414956)
Just know your flows well before coming. Limitations, memory items, and proficiency items are the next things of importance but not as necessary for per say day 1. By the beginning of week 2 you will need to have a good idea of doing a difsripp; know your briefings; and know when to call for what checklist and how to correctly do the flow and the triggers that start each one. End of week two you will have a gate that you will need to show that you can Satisfactory fly a flight from point a to point b doing all flows and checklist correctly. They might give a little if you mess up a thing or two but at this point you should have it down good.
But overall I thought the training was pretty easy and organized. The initial training has a pass rate of over 95 % so don’t believe anyone saying it’s so hard and you only get 5 sims. If someone says that it’s because they don’t know or didn’t study. My background I come from a Saab 340 so you don’t have to fly jets to learn this. Just have to put in the effort. You have plenty of time to sit down and study everything required to be recited from memory. If you put in the effort you will succeed. |
Originally Posted by Trip7onfloats
(Post 3420307)
Any insights on what the training is like for new pilots at NK post covid, since NK has lowered hiring Mins ? Currently PIC typed on CL30 with 1100 TT hours serving as an FO for a 135. Read on here going to spirit would be a bad idea, I’ve also read it wouldn’t be a bad idea if I study hard. Going to Spirit at 1500 sounds appealing but I would also like to avoid a 121 failure on my record. I don’t have my ATP yet. But I am familiar with flying a jet and the automation. Any help would be appreciated.
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So I did some digging and Spirit has 4 like 4 sims and a 2 month course while Frontier has 8 sims and around a 3 month course.
From reading on here memorize the limitations, memory items, & flows in advance, use A320guide.com and 1step.com, trust the A320 system, etc...Is there a degree of on the job training after the Spirit 2 month course since that seems to be a bit shorter than the other courses? Also, I'm leaving the military so while I've not been flying a desk I'm going to be new to the world of the airlines so would there be any other general knowledge and/or technical areas I should study in advance? |
Originally Posted by AR1978
(Post 3423543)
So I did some digging and Spirit has 4 like 4 sims and a 2 month course while Frontier has 8 sims and around a 3 month course.
From reading on here memorize the limitations, memory items, & flows in advance, use A320guide.com and 1step.com, trust the A320 system, etc...Is there a degree of on the job training after the Spirit 2 month course since that seems to be a bit shorter than the other courses? Also, I'm leaving the military so while I've not been flying a desk I'm going to be new to the world of the airlines so would there be any other general knowledge and/or technical areas I should study in advance? Show up to training having flows, memory items and limitations down 100%. Indoc is very light here. If you don’t know how 121 operates you will struggle as indoc here is taught by instructors that have never flown the actual airplane or the line. Buddy up with others who have flown 121 and can work through the details with you. As it is being taught now I wouldn’t recommend it for your first 121 training experience. |
Originally Posted by AR1978
(Post 3423543)
So I did some digging and Spirit has 4 like 4 sims and a 2 month course while Frontier has 8 sims and around a 3 month course.
From reading on here memorize the limitations, memory items, & flows in advance, use A320guide.com and 1step.com, trust the A320 system, etc...Is there a degree of on the job training after the Spirit 2 month course since that seems to be a bit shorter than the other courses? Also, I'm leaving the military so while I've not been flying a desk I'm going to be new to the world of the airlines so would there be any other general knowledge and/or technical areas I should study in advance? |
Originally Posted by PossibleDeviation
(Post 3423579)
Spirit has 4 sims in FLL that are primarily used for new hires. As of last week they are starting to use DFW, MCO and MIA for new hire sim events.
Show up to training having flows, memory items and limitations down 100%. Indoc is very light here. If you don’t know how 121 operates you will struggle as indoc here is taught by instructors that have never flown the actual airplane or the line. Buddy up with others who have flown 121 and can work through the details with you. As it is being taught now I wouldn’t recommend it for your first 121 training experience. ”121” is overblown nonsense. The job is leisurely and easy. Between consulting with your instructors and reading the FOM, you can do it in a month reading 20 pages a night, you ought to have a very good idea of what is meant by certain phrases. |
Originally Posted by FNGFO
(Post 3423606)
That’s both out of date info and overly dramatic. The paper tiger sessions will be with instructors who’ve never flown the plane, but are type rated and well versed in it’s systems. They’re just there to teach you buttonology. Chuck Yeager is not needed for that. The actual sims will be instructor pilots who also fly the line.
”121” is overblown nonsense. The job is leisurely and easy. Between consulting with your instructors and reading the FOM, you can do it in a month reading 20 pages a night, you ought to have a very good idea of what is meant by certain phrases. |
Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
(Post 3423619)
The instructors are very knowledgeable on the airbus, no doubt. His critique on the lack of indoc and general subjects relating to 121 is spot on. Someone clicking through a slideshow for 30 minutes really glosses over the nuances of 121 Regs.
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Originally Posted by FNGFO
(Post 3423606)
That’s both out of date info and overly dramatic. The paper tiger sessions will be with instructors who’ve never flown the plane, but are type rated and well versed in it’s systems. They’re just there to teach you buttonology. Chuck Yeager is not needed for that. The actual sims will be instructor pilots who also fly the line.
”121” is overblown nonsense. The job is leisurely and easy. Between consulting with your instructors and reading the FOM, you can do it in a month reading 20 pages a night, you ought to have a very good idea of what is meant by certain phrases. There are no "paper tiger" sessions anymore so I don't even know what portion of training you are referencing. Indoc/CPT is taught by an FOI that yes, is typed in the airplane, but they've never flown the "AIRPLANE" as I previously said; only the sim and they have NEVER flown the line and they do struggle to walk you through a 121 flight because they've never done it..... After CPT the training does get better as they are active line pilots. But for the first few weeks of training the knowledge of line operations is weak. Don't get me wrong, if they don't know something they will work hard to track down the correct answer for you but if we are going to be training more and more pilots where this is their first 121 job.... the training will need to change. |
I’m going to imagine we’re gonna start losing even more guys to United now that they have an AIP.
BTW, speaking of United‘s AIP I was on their forms and it didn’t seem like they had any details just an Internet rumor, I guess I don’t know I couldn’t tell if they were being funny or not. does anybody have a link to United‘s AIP or details on the AIP? |
Originally Posted by Halon1211
(Post 3423717)
I’m going to imagine we’re gonna start losing even more guys to United now that they have an AIP.
BTW, speaking of United‘s AIP I was on their forms and it didn’t seem like they had any details just an Internet rumor, I guess I don’t know I couldn’t tell if they were being funny or not. does anybody have a link to United‘s AIP or details on the AIP? |
Originally Posted by PossibleDeviation
(Post 3423690)
Out of date? I am going to have to disagree with you on that.
There are no "paper tiger" sessions anymore so I don't even know what portion of training you are referencing. Indoc/CPT is taught by an FOI that yes, is typed in the airplane, but they've never flown the "AIRPLANE" as I previously said; only the sim and they have NEVER flown the line and they do struggle to walk you through a 121 flight because they've never done it..... After CPT the training does get better as they are active line pilots. But for the first few weeks of training the knowledge of line operations is weak. Don't get me wrong, if they don't know something they will work hard to track down the correct answer for you but if we are going to be training more and more pilots where this is their first 121 job.... the training will need to change. Again, the 121 stuff is overblown. It’s not hard. We’re not running starships around the galaxy. |
Originally Posted by FNGFO;[url=tel:3423811
3423811[/url]]We have 5 sims now. Been that way for awhile. By paper Tiger I was referencing the touch screen trainers or whatever they’re called now. The point remains. You’re just trying to find buttons and press them when you should. The MCDU’s are only partially functional in the sims. Somehow it works out.
Again, the 121 stuff is overblown. It’s not hard. We’re not running starships around the galaxy. |
Originally Posted by FNGFO
(Post 3423811)
We have 5 sims now. Been that way for awhile. By paper Tiger I was referencing the touch screen trainers or whatever they’re called now. The point remains. You’re just trying to find buttons and press them when you should. The MCDU’s are only partially functional in the sims. Somehow it works out.
Again, the 121 stuff is overblown. It’s not hard. We’re not running starships around the galaxy. Agree to disagree. But there is a reason that initial regional airline training includes a thorough Indoc course. It's easy if you've done it before but not if you've never been on the line. |
Originally Posted by PossibleDeviation
(Post 3423860)
There are only 4 sims in FLL being used right now for new hire.
Agree to disagree. But there is a reason that initial regional airline training includes a thorough Indoc course. It's easy if you've done it before but not if you've never been on the line. Well is there anything in particular I can study prior to training to get my knowledge on 121 operations up? |
Originally Posted by AR1978
(Post 3423876)
Well is there anything in particular I can study prior to training to get my knowledge on 121 operations up?
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Originally Posted by AR1978
(Post 3423876)
Well is there anything in particular I can study prior to training to get my knowledge on 121 operations up?
I remember reading "everything explained for the professional pilot" before training at my regional. It's a bit cheesy but it is full of good information that will prep you a bit. |
Originally Posted by DutchOven
(Post 3423848)
You mean we can’t run the Airbus in under 12 Parsecs on the Kessell Run?
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Originally Posted by PossibleDeviation
(Post 3423860)
There are only 4 sims in FLL being used right now for new hire.
Agree to disagree. But there is a reason that initial regional airline training includes a thorough Indoc course. It's easy if you've done it before but not if you've never been on the line. I never did it before, and yet I didn’t manage to preflight a tug or jump on the engine and ride it like Major Kong. |
Originally Posted by AR1978
(Post 3423876)
Well is there anything in particular I can study prior to training to get my knowledge on 121 operations up?
Ramp operations are equally as tough. “Ramp, Spiritwings 123, Echo 31, push and start with information alpha.” And then you might have to say something really difficult like “ Cleared to push tail south abeam 33.” And then for the real topper. “Cockpit to ground, brakes are released, cleared to push tail south abeam E33” followed by the even more devious “Brakes are set, cleared to disconnect, show me the pin on the left.” It’s right up there with string theory. 121 rules are easy. It’s essentially 91 IFR rules with some minor changes. Standard 135/91k alternate rules when you don’t fly to an airport listed in A012. Truly. This is being made to be so much more than it is. Part 117 requires some study. I bet you can find a decent explanation online before coming to class, and we have handy cards on our lanyards that tell us our limits. Also not a difficult thing to do. It’s like any indoc you will ever attend. Cooperate, graduate. Study with your classmates when you can, and show up knowing what they tell you to know. |
Originally Posted by FNGFO
(Post 3423971)
Ramp operations are equally as tough. “Ramp, Spiritwings 123, Echo 31, push and start with information alpha.” And then you might have to say something really difficult like “ Cleared to push tail south abeam 33.”
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Originally Posted by FNGFO
(Post 3423971)
You have nothing to fear if you can read numbers on a load sheet or dotz and then input them into the MCDU. It’s not rocket science. The Aircraft Load Sheet says 74 standard bags and 3 heavies in zone 1. Type in 74/3 and insert it into zone 1 in the FMS. Same with passenger counts. This many adults/kids in this area. Put that number into the MCDU. This many infants. Put that number in the entry for….infants.
Ramp operations are equally as tough. “Ramp, Spiritwings 123, Echo 31, push and start with information alpha.” And then you might have to say something really difficult like “ Cleared to push tail south abeam 33.” And then for the real topper. “Cockpit to ground, brakes are released, cleared to push tail south abeam E33” followed by the even more devious “Brakes are set, cleared to disconnect, show me the pin on the left.” It’s right up there with string theory. 121 rules are easy. It’s essentially 91 IFR rules with some minor changes. Standard 135/91k alternate rules when you don’t fly to an airport listed in A012. Truly. This is being made to be so much more than it is. Part 117 requires some study. I bet you can find a decent explanation online before combining to class, and we have handy cards on our lanyards that tell us our limits. Also not a difficult thing to do. It’s like any indoc you will ever attend. Cooperate, graduate. Study with your classmates when you can, and show up knowing what they tell you to know. Well as easy as you made it sound, something’s causing 7.3% of our new hires for 2022 to wash out for “other/training”. Maybe it’s all “other”. |
Originally Posted by onedolla
(Post 3423988)
Well as easy as you made it sound, something’s causing 7.3% of our new hires for 2022 to wash out for “other/training”. Maybe it’s all “other”.
Originally Posted by TALPAtalker
(Post 3423987)
Bravo is current.
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So easy, yet gets it wrong… why you telling ramp what atis you have?
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