Quick question. I heard the pants from HPI direct are really poor quality ( too big or small cant remember ) and $$$. Is there another brand from somwhere else that people are using?


Thanks.

https://acutaboveuniforms.com


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Is that the same navy that spirit wants and also I guess matches the Tie?
66 $ aint cheap either.

Thanks though

Spirit doesn’t have much of an interest in what they “want” for uniform compliance, you’ll learn that soon enough. But yes, the navy will match.

And in my opinion, $66 is not a bad price for pants that fit well and are not 100% polyester. You can tell the guys who rock the 100% poly pants, their pant shine will blind you 100 yards away.

You’ll also have some try and convince you that their Dockers or golf Haggar pants look “exactly the same”. No they don’t.

And only pilots will scoff at a $66 pair of anything that they spend their entire working life in. Thankfully we aren’t lawyers and need to buy suits. Can you imagine if we had to really dress like grownups??

So true.

I bought three pairs of pants from Acutabove and 5 shirts. I look at it as a cost of doing business.




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So training pay is straight pay, no housing/per diem, just like F9?

The Navy option in this JC Penny pair are an identical match to Spirit’s color. Probably the cheapest way to go and they’re decent quality.

https://m.jcpenney.com/p/stafford-tr...plType=regular

It is a combination of both, hotel is paid for.

And you get per diem. Check comes out to around $1500 a month depending on where you live and tax deductions.


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Haha. And there we go, JC Penney Stanford pants.
79% Polyester, 21% Viscose. More shiny pants without a stitch of natural fiber for comfort. Pilot cheapness amazes me. You don’t have to spend $100 on a pair of nice pants, and you sure as heck should buy something a little nicer and better quality than casual wear Stafford from JC Penney.

Shiny pants man, we salute you.

Is the Navy Tie from a cut above the same color as spirits as well?

Yes.


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Thanks btw is the hpi direct stuff really that bad? just heard the rumor.

In my opinion it is.


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The fit is very bad. The pants are marginal material quality and cut way too high and way too baggy, and very inconsistent with sizing.

The shirts are all Van Heusen with the ridiculous 7" epaulette straps..and again, cut very big, swimming in the shirts.

The tie...simple.

Not sure what shirts you are using at your current job but you probably have the ones you prefer anyways...we dont wear wings on our shirts here. Some guys use these regional shirts that have wing holes and rock their Spirit blazer wings on their shirt. Wrong on so many levels....

If it were me, buy 2 pairs of A Cut Above pants, have them hem them up, use those two pairs, be comfortable, and expect probably a uniform change later in the year anyways. I would avoid the blazer because of the most likely color change and instead buy the Karbon. It will be approved going into the next uniform color scheme as well and it seems to be the current popular choice on the line, leather seems to be on its way out here.

In the end, please just try and look professional and comply. You will see so much non compliance trash on the line and its just another example of Spirit pilot apathy and I think sometimes new guys get easily trapped into that when they see that kind of trash on the line. Its why I shake my head with the JC Penney shiny Haggar slacks.
We want Delta, but will dress JC Penney....

This is exactly what I did, two pairs of a cut above pants and a Karbon jacket. Didn’t want to load up on blue as eventually we’ll have a uniform change.

I was really looking forward to using my regional shirts with the area for the wings in em. Ugh...

After the uni change would i have to buy new stuff all over again?

if you are on property when we make the change the company will give you 8 shirts, 2pants, 2 ties and the blazer

you can wear the shirts with the wing holes just dont be one of the tools with the wings on the shirt.

I tried the Cut Above pants a few years back and the fit was horrendous. Almost as bad as our uniform vendor. How long have you been buying your pants from ACA?

I’ve been buying ACA for about 10 years.

Most everyone I speak to likes their pants, myself included. Maybe you’re shaped weird? Lol

Hahaha... it’s quite possible. I did however reach out to ACA customer service when I returned the pants and they said that they had been receiving complaints on the fit and that they were working on it. Just wondering if they ever got around to working on it. If I remember correctly they were pretty baggy and the rise was comically long.

Sure wearing pants that completely deviate from the norm is silly but can we avoid ridicule of those who go for the hpi pants or any other equivalent? If "shiny polyester" is what Spirit designate us from the supplier, then 'shiny polyester' is the uniform!

Training pay is a struggle enough for a lot of us as it is. If you buy from the vendor, then you're in compliance. Ill shine my polyester right into your non training pay eyes any day of the week.

The vendor pants are a wool poly blend not shiny 100% poly. The rise is ridiculous and the zipper will come halfway down your thigh unless you are pulling them over a big gut like Santa clause

cool story bro

All that was said about the uniform pants are that they fit very bad.

I forgot how none of us were ever on training pay. Tell me more about that....

Dont get me wrong, ACA has been going down hill for years, sadly they are still one of the smartest kids on the short bus.

This, I have been very disappointed in ACA recently. It would be nice if someone would provide QUALITY uniform items.

agreed. I don’t buy ACA anymore.

Hmm. I’d say any pants are ok pants as long as they’re the right color and fit properly. I’m here to fly planes and go home, not to be the fashion police :D I do occasionally laugh to myself, though, at how poorly some people’s uniforms fit. Usually older guys that don’t mind their epaulets drooping towards their elbows or their pants looking like industrial trash bags

I have ACA shirts, love the collar, hate the baggy look. I have an athletic frame and they still have the cut of a shopping mall security guard. Had them altered and still like the padded collars. The comically large buttons are gone, but the ones that replaced them seem to not hold up well to dry cleaning.

The ACA pants are great, breathe well in the hot FLL months, but warm enough in the winter. No shiny sheen and haven’t had one issue with the 5 pairs currently in rotation. The “rubber” band inside the waist line helps keep shirts tucked in.

The overwhelming majority of NK pilots I’ve come across look sharp and professional, we just have a disproportionately large number of slobs and cheapskates as a percentage. For you new hires, don’t take that as “no one cares what I wear here so I’ll wear whatever I want”.

Get yourself a couple pairs of quality stuff so you too can roll your eyes at the guy in dockers and black new balance lace ups who is making $250k a year and thinks paying more than twenty bucks for pants is ridiculous.

Those guys making $250k+ and not wanting to spend more than $20 on pants are the same ones who try to convince everyone to switch their cell service to some off-brand company that rents bandwidth on the other guys towers. Yes your data gets throttled after using 250MB and the calls are dropped constantly but if you wait until you’re on hotel WiFi you don’t really notice it. Plus you save $20/month!!!!!

I get being thrifty when it makes sense, a harbor freight screwdriver turns just the same as a snap on.

If you’re the head of a billion dollar internet start up and want to wear shorts and flip flops to work, so be it. This job has always had a uniform and it’s not a very expensive one.

For a lot of them it’s some kind of passive aggressive swipe at our uniform provider/ company, or bullheaded notion that mass production crew uniform providers will somehow just send that perfect fit to their mailbox with no adjustments needed.

Looking professional and dressing well is a choice. It usually requires a modicum of effort and money. Those that chose to look like a sloppy buffoon are just that regardless of whatever reasoning they use to justify it.

Even second year FO’s on our industry bottom compensated contract are making 2+ times the national average in income. Spend $4-500 over the course of a couple months and bother to look like a pro.

Try jetseam shirt and pants. Similar to ACA but seem to be a little better quality

No airline pilot on planet earth should be buying shirts from anyone but A Cut Above, end of story no argument :rolleyes:

ill take the free stuff...if its free its for me

I’ve spent three figures on a single pair of custom made pants (I have more than one pair too.) The fit, feel, and look is like nothing you can buy on the rack at a Dept. Store. I’ve spent years and thousands of dollars to get here. I like looking like a million bucks. It’s all priorities I suppose. Dress for the job you want not the one you have. I want Spirit lol, with Delta pay.
Flame Suit on.

so 72 hours/month at $57? Plus approximately $1500 per diem?

no, $1500ish total. dont get 72 hrs until you finish ioe and are released to the line.

or 90 days from DOH if training takes that long due to company. It does happen.

Are the pink slips still flowing at Spirit? Any word on a improvement of training pass rate?