Or again, you read before you push or pull

Because reading is still, fundamental

Smoke filled cockpit, obscured vision from wearing the O2 masks during a fume event or while the other pilot is on a lav break, or more common/likely: taking off 10’s out of FLL into the blinding rising sun and getting the left turn but the guy your flying with grabs the speed knob and whips that to the left instead...

I’m not saying you shouldn’t verify the knob by reading its label, rather there’s an alternative if you are having difficulty and a logic to help build muscle memory.

What he said. I'm personally trying to make a point to commit the knob position and tactile surface to muscle memory. I verify before I spin it of course but I like to know that I can find those knobs without seeing them. It's a skill that could save an airplane in a vision-less environment.

Paid for housing?
 

Does Spirit cover all housing/hotels for the duration of initial training?

Yes, except when you have home based training.

FCP is Fiction PFD is Fact.

Thanks for changing the subject. It was about to become a huge battle royale of what-ifs.

Anybody in the dec2 class get any travel/hotel info yet?

You will usually get it around Wednesday the week before. You can send your flight requests to the email listed in new hire packet if you haven’t already.

I am studying for my class date (dec 9) and I heard they are working on new flows (yet again). How long does this process usually take?

They just swapped the roles on the ground. Flows are the same. Captain always PF on ground; Captain does PF Cockpit Prep and FO does Preliminary Cockpit Prep effective December 2nd. You should be fine.

To confuse things even more, I believe the book says that while the initial powerup of the flightdeck is a FO task, it can be performed by the captain if he/she is the first to the plane. So basically, whoever walks on the plane first does that very first flow.

During training, the trainee in the captain seat will do the cockpit prep flow while the trainee in the right seat, who's PF for the "flight", does the FMS setup. We discovered it's a huge time saver and allows us to get off the gate in like 10 minutes.

That’s how it always was before this latest round of tinkering.

Thankfully it isn’t this complicated on the line; whoever gets there first does the PCP flow. Captain is back to doing the overhead flows and the box is done by the CA or PF, usually the CA while the FO is doing the walk.

So even though the change is annoying, it’s good they are moving is back

Fixed that for you.

Good to hear it’s going back to how it was. I haven’t flown on reserve in 6 weeks now lol.

I remember flying the line after this change came out. I can’t tell you how many CAs I flew with, but not a single one changed anything.

I was usually the first one there so I did my “first to the plane” flow, then I would do the walk around and come back and do my usual stuff.

Even when it was “my leg” The CAs would still do their PF flow even though, technically, it was supposed to be done by the FO if it was their leg.

My gist was, absolutely no one on the line (except for probably a couple sticklers) changed a damn thing.

Haha..exactly. Every Captain basically filed the new changes under "sorry, no" and most of the FOs did too. So im glad they got the hint and are changing it back

Well, call me a stickler. I get paid to follow SOP, so I follow SOP. They change SOP, I follow the new SOP. Is it really that hard?

Do you also not adjust your seat until the FO was back from the walk around and both flight crew members are seated?

It’s new SOP, I assume you follow this

Eh I guess your mileage may very 98% of the captains I’ve flown with since the change had been attempting to comply with the I guess now old new change and alternating every leg

I’m getting ready to come back from home study and start CSI’s. Any advice for this next phase? Areas to pay particularly attention to?
Also, when can you expect to have your background check done? Nobody in our class has them done yet but we’ve all had our info in for months already, just curious.
Thanks in advance.

Study guide and fault lights! If you can get through that, you are solid!


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Awesome thanks. Hopefully the CSI’s shed some light on the systems stuff.

I’ll add Limitations, Memory items and proficiency items to this list. You need to rattle these off comfortably during the oral. If you can do that and then fault lights/ study guide/ general systems knowledge, you’re Golden.

Look at the syllabus and pay attention to the homework. There’s no reason to get ahead. Just study what they tell you when they tell you to. Read the pertinent AOM chapters and study guide questions and you’ll be fine.

It’s a lot to cram in my tiny noggin but I’m gonna do it. Thanks everyone.

It was my first 121 training. If I can get through it, you can too. CSIs are only like six hours total of your day. I just spent every morning walking on the hotel treadmill until I had everything read that I needed. Also, you should get at least a free day or two before your oral. Use it to read over the oral exam guide as many times as you can stand.

You what else I do non-standard? When external power is available, and the airplane has been switched off less than six hours, and the battery voltage is above 25.5V I switch the external power on.

What about background checks and CASS? Seems like they’re taking longer than normal for everyone in the class. I kind of get the feeling that they do it until a certain part of training so people don’t go home and get off track.

As you should. Keep up the good work.

Yes...... and from my walk around when it was my turn. It's not that hard.

Read through this whole thread. Few questions.

Has the training improved since (2018) this thread started?

Still many failures?

Are there any former military Pilots that have gone through recently that can compare/ contrast?

Thanks,

D~

Something like a 97% pass rate or something.

That’s a reasonable number. Not everyone is cut out for this.

Thanks,

D~

Just had a new hire FO tell me he had to pay ($40 i think that was the $$ ) for the Airbus training software that is now installing on our iPads. Is this true? :eek:

You’ll be provided with everything you need to pass training. If you want to go buy training apps then that’s on you.


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Not true. They supply you with everything including the A320 like app which tells you what Pb does what. It does not have flows or flash cards but with Quizlet and the Flowguide/AOM2, you don’t need it.
Save your money because you get paid only $1800 per month until IOE is complete and you’re released to the line.

Do they not let you know your background check is done and you’re in CASS until a certain point in training to prevent you from going home and getting off track? No one in our class has been cleared yet and the company has had our info for weeks if not months.

Welcome to Spirit.

And you guys thought that they had a team trying to get you guys processed by the holidays?

Seriously, this is how it is. They have no concern or obligation to process you for the holidays, so they won’t. That’s the plain truth. It sucks but that’s how Miramar runs the show.

CASS approval is partly based on your old employers responding to their requests. Not sure what they confirm but my guess is they confirm you are no longer an employee and that your old ID badge was surrendered when you quit, as well as PRIA info.
I got mine in week one over a year ago. Other people in my class got their cass near the end of training. There are a few airlines and other commercial operators that are notorious for being slow to respond when their employees quit. Many dont respond at all, and in that case there is a timeline that will have to be expired before they can proceed. Something like 90+ days.

Doubt it. That wasnt the case for my class. Granted it wasnt over a holiday, but half my class got CASS approved week one. Others had to wait a while because they were waiting on peoples past employers to respond to whatever PRIA requests and security stuff they gotta do.

Maybe they used to be like that but they were very upfront about our CASS approval when I went through. I cant recall who does it the background check, but the new hire instructors, mentors and training folks can look up and see if people are approved or not.