ok to be clear, the oral was easy because you probably studied your butt off on your own time.

Which is what everyone should do. Nobody said you didn’t have to put in any work. I studied more for the oral than I probably have for anything in my life. And I passed. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t super difficult either.

agreed 100%... from what I’ve heard the big 3 treat their new hires differently. I’m hesitant to say “spoon feeding” but that’s what I’ve gathered. Personally I am looking forward to the changes associated the implementation of AQP

Did you struggle with training at some point?


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No, but the oral is not to be taken lightly. Studied more for that event than anything I can remember. And as others have said, it was a breeze.

Anyone know who the best one at giving oral is?

That's a tough question. Teeth can be a problem. I prefer a little attention to the step children. Most like to be done early, but I like a little attention to detail.

lol

filler....

Just got out of training and here’s my insight. Know your limitations, memory items and flows. Know the flows from muscle memory then dive into the expanded checklist before you show up.
You will get all the training material you need, but I highly recommend 1step.com. It’s a $100 a month (you’ll only need one months worth) and divided among your classmates, it come out to be about $10 each. The instructor is a current NK f/o and the info is geared towards us. It made all the difference to me and my classmates.
If anyone has any info about the whole process, from interviewing, to class, to OE, shoot me a PM. I’d be happy to help because I was just in your shoes and I’d be happy to pay it forward.

Just got out of training and here’s my insight. Know your limitations, memory items and flows. Know the flows from muscle memory then dive into the expanded checklist before you show up.
You will get all the training material you need, but I highly recommend 1step.com. It’s a $100 a month (you’ll only need one months worth) and divided among your classmates, it come out to be about $10 each. The instructor is a current NK f/o and the info is geared towards us. It made all the difference to me and my classmates.
If anyone has any questions about the whole process, from interviewing, to class, to OE, shoot me a PM. I’d be happy to help because I was just in your shoes and I’d be happy to pay it forward.

Second this as well....highly highly recommend 1step prep. I still use their stuff for recurrent as well. Some of the best and easiest material to digest out there.

Agreed. Really helped me understanding it. Reading AOM I translated into English really frustrated me. I felt a lot better after watching the 1stepprep videos. Was really funny running into to Joe during sims. He’s a good dude.

March 16 Class
 

Hey all,

I have a CJO and a March 16 start date. If anyone else gets that start date, let’s link up. Usually classes share contact info and start a study group, etc.

Thanks,

D

Feb 3rd class date
 

Anyone else in this class? Agree with the posters above would be good to link up...

I'll go ahead and reach out to any March 9 folks

I believe they send out a class roster and phone numbers a week or two prior to class. Classes typically set up a whatsapp group.

They never did that for my class. We exchanged numbers and started the WhatsApp on the first day.

what is the advantage of WhatsApp? I’ve never used it but it seems everyone does now. Why not just use a group text. Not to mention Facebook owns WhatsApp and everything in it.

Who texts anymore?

WhatsApp works better when people are using both iOS and Android.

In what way? I’m curious having not used it. Never had an issue group texting

Sometimes in a group chat with members using different operating systems, one system will split up all the replies and you end up receiving a bunch of out-of-context text messages all day long. Also, some of the Spirit WhatsApp chats have hundreds of people in them. Not sure if you can have that many in a simple group text.

SMS texts are very unsecure and can be recovered by legal subpoena, etc from the cell company. Imessage (blue) is better but is Apple device specific.

WhatsApp allows for cross-platform messaging, secure, also video, photo, phone calls, via the app. Multi-Platform.

I see. WhatsApp says encrypted but really Facebook owns it all and has access.

I am not commenting on technical/usability advantages, but absolutely NONE of this stuff is secure. Nor is any of it unreachable by legal process.

By the way, Russia IS listening...(and China, and Iran, and Israel, and the NSA....)....

conspiracy theories.

My wife asked if google was monitoring us and I just laughed.


So did Siri and Alexa...

I'm in the Feb 3rd class as well. I'll send you a PM with my contact info.

explains why all my porn is in russian, arab and hebrew

No need for the black helos and guys in vans down the street anymore...we’ve invited them into our bedrooms!!

Progress!

Actually, no, that’s just simple economics ... market forces, cost of labor and all that ...

The big plus to me was there are no international fees to text/chat with a foreign number, or to send messages to someone back home when you are in another country. Not a big deal to people who rarely leave the US and mainly fly domestically.

Also it runs on data, so if you can’t connect to a cellular network, or don’t want to in another country to avoid roaming, you can still text/chat with a WiFi connection.

The group chat features for me are a small part of what made WhatsApp more useful.

I don't post much, because I abhor social media of any kind, but sady I do lurk a fair bit.
WhatsApp to me has a few advantages. It is more secure than SMS. Which isn't much to brag about. Also when you decide you've had enough of the pilots who text incessantly, like 15 year old girls chatting about boys, you can unsubscribe. SMS group texts are forever, or at least until the last person stops texting.

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You can leave a text thread on SMS. At least I know you can with an iPhone.

I believe with iPhone, once in a group text, people cant leave all the time if people are texting with SMS, and not iMessage.
This according to Apple

"If you don't see the option to leave, it might mean one or more of the users isn't using a device with iMessage. You can't remove yourself from these group texts, but you can mute the conversation."

When you get out of the US where some people doesn't have unlimited minutes and texts, WhatsApp is about the easiest way to get in touch with somebody.

I just use WiFi calling. Phone does this automatically if it doesn’t have a cell signal (or you have it turned off to avoid roaming) and WiFi is on.

Just be aware (and I'm sure you are) that Wi-Fi calling (using the phone, not a program like Facetime or Whatsapp) "costs" you minutes just like a regular phone call might, ie calls to and from a US Number are free, however you'd be charged minutes at the applicable rate for an International Call.

https://www.att.com/shop/wireless/fe...i-calling.html

https://www.t-mobile.com/support/cov...-from-t-mobile

https://www.verizonwireless.com/supp...-calling-faqs/

etc etc.

Moral of the story is, when in doubt and dealing with any kind of international phone call, use an app like Whatsapp to make the call. I learned the hard way a few years ago!

yeah, I sometimes do the same, but I do call a lot of non US numbers, so I use WhatsApp.
Also at my last Job I flew charter mostly out of the country and WhatsApp is about the only reliable way of communicating with the many contacts you have to stay in touch with... they just won't answer the phone and will rather communicate with you thru your FO or your FA if they have WhatsApp and you don't.

So besides everyone getting their rocks off on the WhatsApp, what’s the average wait now for ioe

It varies but could be anywhere from 4 days to 6 weeks. I think most folks are waiting 3-4 weeks. However that could be old intel


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