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Old 02-01-2018 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
How many came out for F9? I think it was 200+
It was over 200 for the one back in April. December was 350.
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Old 02-01-2018 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Powderkeg
It was over 200 for the one back in April. December was 350.
So that turnout equals:

22% for F9 (using APR since it was F9 pilots only apples-apples)
20% fo B6
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Old 02-01-2018 | 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by UNSUBSCRIBE
Jesus really? Are you one of those guys who looks at payrates and stops there?
Quite the opposite.
I have been around long enough to know that pay is very volatile, while work rules are permanently gone when given away!

Originally Posted by putzin
Nothing has ever been "given" to the spirit pilot group, it's always been a fight.
if you had evaluated spirit prior to coming here you would have known that.
I have never seen more disorganization, lack luster leadership, infighting, leathargic, and in general a total lack of direction than SPA Alpa
The style of leadership within the union is exactly the same as the style within our management team.

This thing will pass and we're going to live it because it takes more than just saying "no" to get what you deserve.
I was not here for the strike but followed it closely and agree with you.
I value the efforts of my predecessors and their sacrifice which one of the reasons why am NOT willing to allow this management to take away the QOL that was gained during the strike.
When I came here shortly thereafter, Spirit was in the honeymoon phase, during a time of tremendous growth and optimism.
As my third union experience I think we have a weak/apathetic membership which voted for a POS LOA, which should have been included in contract negotiations.
We gave them relief, and we got sued.
The topping will be passing this TA!
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Old 02-01-2018 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
So that turnout equals:

22% for F9 (using APR since it was F9 pilots only apples-apples)
20% fo B6
And about 3% for the last Spirit picket.

The group is tired and apathetic at this point. It is why this will pass and be done. Guys either dont care enough or/and too tired to do anything.

We deserve a better deal, but this is what we earned. Plain and simple.

And any of our loudmouths on here who like to spout about how we need to do this, and that, how many events did you attend? How many events did you call coworkers to attend.

I never saw any of the DFW loudmouths at any of these events; Ol Audi was absent at the Texas events; DFW picket, and IAH picket..yet loves to shoot that mouth off. FLL event, we had less show up to a sunny walk in FLL than Frontier did on a cold cold day in Denver, about 5 times as many showed for Frontier.

Started with the IAH shareholders event when about 40 of us showed. 40 for our first event, face to face with the company. Union even paid for hotel rooms, we got 40!

We cant blame the MEC, NC, ALPA national or anyone...this is on us. For a group that hates to be disrespected, not many are doing much about it instead of flapping those gums during this process.
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Old 02-01-2018 | 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ZebraMan
And about 3% for the last Spirit picket.

The group is tired and apathetic at this point. It is why this will pass and be done. Guys either dont care enough or/and too tired to do anything.

We deserve a better deal, but this is what we earned. Plain and simple.

And any of our loudmouths on here who like to spout about how we need to do this, and that, how many events did you attend? How many events did you call coworkers to attend.

I never saw any of the DFW loudmouths at any of these events; Ol Audi was absent at the Texas events; DFW picket, and IAH picket..yet loves to shoot that mouth off. FLL event, we had less show up to a sunny walk in FLL than Frontier did on a cold cold day in Denver, about 5 times as many showed for Frontier.

Started with the IAH shareholders event when about 40 of us showed. 40 for our first event, face to face with the company. Union even paid for hotel rooms, we got 40!

We cant blame the MEC, NC, ALPA national or anyone...this is on us. For a group that hates to be disrespected, not many are doing much about it instead of flapping those gums during this process.
^^^^spot on!

Hopefully the gains are bigger than the concessions we see in the TA tomorrow.

I think one 26%er showed at IAH, only to push his own agenda(DFW LEC).
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Old 02-01-2018 | 08:48 AM
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I called an picked up guys and drove to them to the events. I also saw at least one 26% walking proudly and not mouthing off about anything in FLL. The first DFW picket had a decent showing and wide open flights with over 100 seats both ways yet only 4 guys decided to attend from FLL. The loudest mouths never show though.
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Old 02-01-2018 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
I called an picked up guys and drove to them to the events. I also saw at least one 26% walking proudly and not mouthing off about anything in FLL. The first DFW picket had a decent showing and wide open flights with over 100 seats both ways yet only 4 guys decided to attend from FLL. The loudest mouths never show though.
Like I said, its what we eared. We are only as strong as our members, together as a group, and we do not do that well at this point.

Why we are that way, who knows..but its how things stand.
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Old 02-01-2018 | 01:19 PM
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It’ll pass first vote...pilots are greedy, they won’t wait to renegotiate a new contract and have another year of ****ty pay! If they don’t take this TA, then one next year will be about 3-5% better, which will equate to 43% less money in the meantime being paid same wage for yet, another year! Greedy scared pilots ruin everything!
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Old 02-01-2018 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ZebraMan
And about 3% for the last Spirit picket.

The group is tired and apathetic at this point. It is why this will pass and be done. Guys either dont care enough or/and too tired to do anything.

We deserve a better deal, but this is what we earned. Plain and simple.

And any of our loudmouths on here who like to spout about how we need to do this, and that, how many events did you attend? How many events did you call coworkers to attend.

I never saw any of the DFW loudmouths at any of these events; Ol Audi was absent at the Texas events; DFW picket, and IAH picket..yet loves to shoot that mouth off. FLL event, we had less show up to a sunny walk in FLL than Frontier did on a cold cold day in Denver, about 5 times as many showed for Frontier.

Started with the IAH shareholders event when about 40 of us showed. 40 for our first event, face to face with the company. Union even paid for hotel rooms, we got 40!

We cant blame the MEC, NC, ALPA national or anyone...this is on us. For a group that hates to be disrespected, not many are doing much about it instead of flapping those gums during this process.
IMAGINE HOW MUCH BETTER THIS TA WOULD HAVE BEEN IF EVERYBODY HAD WORN A GREEN LANYARD!!!!!!

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Old 02-01-2018 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SourGrapes
IMAGINE HOW MUCH BETTER THIS TA WOULD HAVE BEEN IF EVERYBODY HAD WORN A GREEN LANYARD!!!!!!

Damn you're a loser.

Ya blocked, son!
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