Think what you want. Believe it or not, most pilots at other airlines haven’t been following our negotiations nor do they give two *****. I’m not terribly concerned what someone else thinks. Maybe you should focus on yourself and your airline, and just how big the gains are, than what joe pilot thinks about you.

You skip over compounding issue. gains are not big like you have been brainwashed to think. TX/PBS/Airport STBY/Hotel and transportation saving are only 64 mil over 5 year? 13 mil per year? how about we do special assesment and buy work rules back from company for 64 mil?

Yet you came here for $38.50/hr knowing exactly what you were signing up for. That makes you a laughing stock already, ya know, working at such wages so far beneath your amazing skill set.. Hows that millennial mirror working for you now? you demand more, yet show up to work when scheduled ... yawn.

Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, Or what's a heaven for?

At first, I was like you I thought the TA was terrible. I decided to spend hours upon hours over several days reading it and comparing it to our current CBA and the CBA's of other mainline operations.

The company wanted PBS from the start. That was in the presentation. Naturally, with PBS comes loss of transition, and while transition is great, it's not guaranteed consistently to most of the pilot group. I have gotten some transition conflicts in my limited time here and I was really only able to capitalize on it once. It was great when it worked, but I generally bid for days off, since I have a family. I'd rather have the much higher guaranteed income without having to hope for transition. Guarantee at the new rate, plus the DC, still pays me more than crediting 100+ hours. And I know I'll get that every month, which makes for an easier budget.

There is still no airport standby. They have to be in the process of rescheduling you. I do hate this, and don't think it should be in the TA, but it cost them money to do this. I could be wrong, but I don't think they'll go crazy with it because of the costs. Plus, you can get out of it by the mention of one word.

Most of the rescheduling language is in the current CBA, and most of what was added protects us and gets us paid. If I'm at work, I don't really care if I end up in LAX or BOS for the night. Just don't mess with my days off, and they aren't. In fact, the new rigs will probably give me a couple of more days off every month. The big difference is, now they don't have to return you to your trip. Big deal, just get me home on time.

Losing the ability to drop RES days really hurts, but after May the company was committed to taking that ability away and the NMB was completely in their corner. This was the casualty of the TRO.

The hotel change was at the request of The Union. Guys complain all the time about the length of some of these drives. They actually listened and did something about it.

I'm not naive, I do not think the concessions are only 64 million, and if you watched the video, that's just an estimate. However, I do think if you think this is a cost neutral contract then you are naive. I think where they will save the biggest is reduced pilot labor and they can't really calculate that. I do think an order will be announced sometime in the next year, and if that happens no one here will feel the ability of PBS to reduce staffing.

Do I think it's perfect? No. But let's look at what we're taking away from this: major scope improvements, a respectable income, a DC 401K, higher min duty period, trip and duty rigs, training pilots section has improvements for them, we get our schedules earlier, LTD, keeping our red/green system and our four days off between trips - and if you want to wave that you can.

You always preach education, yet you seem to not care about it yourself.

by all means reach away... I mean with your 3000TT and 1 year of regional time United will be calling you any second... then you'll be off to the the 'big boys' making so much more than us and you can use all those proceeds to clean that floor to ceiling mirror you can smile at yourself in.... better yet , why do you even care what this contract pays in 8 years? you'll soon be in the 6 figures slumming it under these deplorable conditions just for a short time before you get a 'real job' ??

I really don’t like the hotel change answer. They could’ve come up with something more reasonable. Just because 2-3 of our layovers have excessive travel times doesn’t mean they all should suffer.

Long stay was union idea? How much it costs us in negotiation to save company higher hotel and supershuttle bill?

You put out very strong case for no vote then finnish with insult. I do not preach education but is good idea. I just say it because when anyone ask good question here answer from YES crowd is go to road show, ask question, get educated. Is very condescending. I did not become that way until tired of yes'ers bad attitude. Yes'ers are like coyote with acme rocket, funny to watch, self destructive.

Maybe that's just the truth. LAX, DFW, IAH, LGA, MCI are pains at the wrong time of day. I would imagine SEA could also be a huge PITA during traffic. I don't really mind the drives, but I'm not upset with the change either.

It is apparent you cannot be reasoned with.