Negligent accounting
02-09-2018, 06:58 AM
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Negligent accounting
Based on the recent statement from the NC, we'd be achieving a $920M gain over the next five years with the TA.
The wholesale work rule concessions being offered amount to a $64M savings for the airline.
Is this a red flag for anyone else?
Who is the ALPA financial analyst we've been paying to cook these sham numbers??? And some of us (NC) are buying this? Are we supposed to believe flushing virtually our entire set of work rules down the toilet amounts to a paltry 12.8M annual savings for the airline?? Even our disgraced former MEC chair stated that by giving relief for the June meltdown, we saved the airline between 10-20 million alone. And that was relief for a weekend!
In other words, the 43% gain in hourly rates would be the same net expense to the airline as giving us a 40% pay raise while keeping our current work rules intact. (64 / 920 = 6.9% savings to the airline as a result of a gutted contract)
I call BS.
The wholesale work rule concessions being offered amount to a $64M savings for the airline.
Is this a red flag for anyone else?
Who is the ALPA financial analyst we've been paying to cook these sham numbers??? And some of us (NC) are buying this? Are we supposed to believe flushing virtually our entire set of work rules down the toilet amounts to a paltry 12.8M annual savings for the airline?? Even our disgraced former MEC chair stated that by giving relief for the June meltdown, we saved the airline between 10-20 million alone. And that was relief for a weekend!
In other words, the 43% gain in hourly rates would be the same net expense to the airline as giving us a 40% pay raise while keeping our current work rules intact. (64 / 920 = 6.9% savings to the airline as a result of a gutted contract)
I call BS.
02-09-2018, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by CMFIC
Based on the recent statement from the NC, we'd be achieving a $920M gain over the next five years with the TA.
The wholesale work rule concessions being offered amount to a $64M savings for the airline.
Is this a red flag for anyone else?
Who is the ALPA financial analyst we've been paying to cook these sham numbers??? And some of us (NC) are buying this? Are we supposed to believe flushing virtually our entire set of work rules down the toilet amounts to a paltry 12.8M annual savings for the airline?? Even our disgraced former MEC chair stated that by giving relief for the June meltdown, we saved the airline between 10-20 million alone. And that was relief for a weekend!
In other words, the 43% gain in hourly rates would be the same net expense to the airline as giving us a 40% pay raise while keeping our current work rules intact. (64 / 920 = 6.9% savings to the airline as a result of a gutted contract)
I call BS.
The wholesale work rule concessions being offered amount to a $64M savings for the airline.
Is this a red flag for anyone else?
Who is the ALPA financial analyst we've been paying to cook these sham numbers??? And some of us (NC) are buying this? Are we supposed to believe flushing virtually our entire set of work rules down the toilet amounts to a paltry 12.8M annual savings for the airline?? Even our disgraced former MEC chair stated that by giving relief for the June meltdown, we saved the airline between 10-20 million alone. And that was relief for a weekend!
In other words, the 43% gain in hourly rates would be the same net expense to the airline as giving us a 40% pay raise while keeping our current work rules intact. (64 / 920 = 6.9% savings to the airline as a result of a gutted contract)
I call BS.
02-09-2018, 08:19 AM
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Ok so let’s vote this contract down.....then what??
Pound our chest like fools and demand more??
How do you suggest we do that??
How do you suggest we convince an anti labor NMB that we are worth more and company should just pay us or change this?? How do we do that??
The T/A could be 200% better but how do we convince an anti labor friendly NMB??
Let’s say we vote this down and maybe a year down the road we kick thousands aside for little gain or what if the economy tanks?? I can guarantee you the next offer will be even more sub par.
People need to pull their heads out of their asses and think long term.
Pound our chest like fools and demand more??
How do you suggest we do that??
How do you suggest we convince an anti labor NMB that we are worth more and company should just pay us or change this?? How do we do that??
The T/A could be 200% better but how do we convince an anti labor friendly NMB??
Let’s say we vote this down and maybe a year down the road we kick thousands aside for little gain or what if the economy tanks?? I can guarantee you the next offer will be even more sub par.
People need to pull their heads out of their asses and think long term.
02-09-2018, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Freightcowboy
Ok so let’s vote this contract down.....then what??
Pound our chest like fools and demand more??
How do you suggest we do that??
How do you suggest we convince an anti labor NMB that we are worth more and company should just pay us or change this?? How do we do that??
The T/A could be 200% better but how do we convince an anti labor friendly NMB??
Let’s say we vote this down and maybe a year down the road we kick thousands aside for little gain or what if the economy tanks?? I can guarantee you the next offer will be even more sub par.
People need to pull their heads out of their asses and think long term.
Pound our chest like fools and demand more??
How do you suggest we do that??
How do you suggest we convince an anti labor NMB that we are worth more and company should just pay us or change this?? How do we do that??
The T/A could be 200% better but how do we convince an anti labor friendly NMB??
Let’s say we vote this down and maybe a year down the road we kick thousands aside for little gain or what if the economy tanks?? I can guarantee you the next offer will be even more sub par.
People need to pull their heads out of their asses and think long term.
How can you guarantee this per your post? You in Stu’s pants?
As for voting it down, if you feel you are worth this ****ty TA, then vote yes. Rest of us know we are worth and deserve more
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02-09-2018, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Freightcowboy
People need to pull their heads out of their asses and think long term.
The player on the other side of the table is not the NMB. Don't sell yourself or our profession short. Let's not forget, the NMB has somehow been convinced (along with our NC) that this is a 920M gain offset by a savings to the company of only 64M. This is bullish**.
Our COO made more in his first 3 months at Spirit Airlines than you will for the next decade + under this T/A. If he gets us to sign off on this deal, he's worth every penny of that and more to SAVE.
02-09-2018, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Freightcowboy
Ok so let’s vote this contract down.....then what??
Pound our chest like fools and demand more??
How do you suggest we do that??
How do you suggest we convince an anti labor NMB that we are worth more and company should just pay us or change this?? How do we do that??
The T/A could be 200% better but how do we convince an anti labor friendly NMB??
Let’s say we vote this down and maybe a year down the road we kick thousands aside for little gain or what if the economy tanks?? I can guarantee you the next offer will be even more sub par.
People need to pull their heads out of their asses and think long term.
Pound our chest like fools and demand more??
How do you suggest we do that??
How do you suggest we convince an anti labor NMB that we are worth more and company should just pay us or change this?? How do we do that??
The T/A could be 200% better but how do we convince an anti labor friendly NMB??
Let’s say we vote this down and maybe a year down the road we kick thousands aside for little gain or what if the economy tanks?? I can guarantee you the next offer will be even more sub par.
People need to pull their heads out of their asses and think long term.
02-09-2018, 09:52 AM
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How do we convince the company that we deserve more?? What ammo do we give the NC for that “battle”??
If this gets voted down it will be at least a 3 month process to get a survey done then how long to schedule more dates with the NMB when classes are being filled with our current CBA.
In a year maybe or maybe longer get $5 more an hour and losing a descent amount of cash.
Well in that time frame we are just gonna give Spirit Mgt more of a bonus by working under the current CBA.
If this gets voted down it will be at least a 3 month process to get a survey done then how long to schedule more dates with the NMB when classes are being filled with our current CBA.
In a year maybe or maybe longer get $5 more an hour and losing a descent amount of cash.
Well in that time frame we are just gonna give Spirit Mgt more of a bonus by working under the current CBA.
02-09-2018, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Freightcowboy
How do we convince the company that we deserve more??
The airline NEEDS this deal. The airline needs to grow. Right now- if they operate 200 aircraft- they need close to 4,000 pilots. They can't afford the inefficiencies of our current CBA! Do we think it's a coincidence that, after 3 years of talks, they get us back to the table just in time to fly a summer schedule? Just in time to place another order?
This isn't reading between the lines- listen to their earnings calls- even Bob's Emails have been transparent. I don't know if their motivation can be any more apparent.
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