Negligent accounting
02-09-2018, 10:18 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by CMFIC
Are we supposed to believe flushing virtually our entire set of work rules down the toilet amounts to a paltry 12.8M annual savings for the airline??
What planet are you on?
02-09-2018, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by CMFIC
A 99% NO Vote would be a good start.
The airline NEEDS this deal. The airline needs to grow. Right now- if they operate 200 aircraft- they need close to 4,000 pilots. They can't afford the inefficiencies of our current CBA! Do we think it's a coincidence that, after 3 years of talks, they get us back to the table just in time to fly a summer schedule? Just in time to place another order?
This isn't reading between the lines- listen to their earnings calls- even Bob's Emails have been transparent. I don't know if their motivation can be any more apparent.
The airline NEEDS this deal. The airline needs to grow. Right now- if they operate 200 aircraft- they need close to 4,000 pilots. They can't afford the inefficiencies of our current CBA! Do we think it's a coincidence that, after 3 years of talks, they get us back to the table just in time to fly a summer schedule? Just in time to place another order?
This isn't reading between the lines- listen to their earnings calls- even Bob's Emails have been transparent. I don't know if their motivation can be any more apparent.
02-09-2018, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by CMFIC
Is thinking long term is exchanging every ounce of leverage we'll ever have for a one time "bonus," some of the lowest hourly rates in the industry with no profit sharing? Not to mention a section 25 that offers less QOL than some regional airlines?
The player on the other side of the table is not the NMB. Don't sell yourself or our profession short. Let's not forget, the NMB has somehow been convinced (along with our NC) that this is a 920M gain offset by a savings to the company of only 64M. This is bullish**.
Our COO made more in his first 3 months at Spirit Airlines than you will for the next decade + under this T/A. If he gets us to sign off on this deal, he's worth every penny of that and more to SAVE.
The player on the other side of the table is not the NMB. Don't sell yourself or our profession short. Let's not forget, the NMB has somehow been convinced (along with our NC) that this is a 920M gain offset by a savings to the company of only 64M. This is bullish**.
Our COO made more in his first 3 months at Spirit Airlines than you will for the next decade + under this T/A. If he gets us to sign off on this deal, he's worth every penny of that and more to SAVE.
02-09-2018, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguyniner11
Ok now explain how we ended up with the current deal and why the NC and MEC full heartedly support the TA? Are they all company shills? Gay frogs? What?
I can't answer why we've been presented this insulting offer.
02-09-2018, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDudeabide
I’m against this thing too. I do feel that we could get a better deal than this TA. With that said, newsflash, it’s going to pass. These arguments aren’t going to accomplish anything, everyone has made up their minds
02-09-2018, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear
Just with PBS the company is saving a **** load of $$$. I have been calling Bs as well with these numbers. History repeats itself and god dam it , we are our own worst enemy. Viva el NO vote !
02-09-2018, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by NKSpilot
Easy - we are not “flushing our entire set of work rules down the toilet.”
What planet are you on?
What planet are you on?
Being assigned to wait out your FDP at the airport by a gate agent: Reality (rationalizations: we get paid for it, they’ll never use that, it’s not the intent, are you kidding me?)
PBS: more work days, shorter vacations
All this for again, near bottom pay and a meager bonus. So much fear motivating yes votes. Repeating what others are saying, once you give up work rules, it is near impossible to get them back.
02-09-2018, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Freightcowboy
How do we convince the company that we deserve more?? What ammo do we give the NC for that “battle”??
If this gets voted down it will be at least a 3 month process to get a survey done then how long to schedule more dates with the NMB when classes are being filled with our current CBA.
In a year maybe or maybe longer get $5 more an hour and losing a descent amount of cash.
Well in that time frame we are just gonna give Spirit Mgt more of a bonus by working under the current CBA.
If this gets voted down it will be at least a 3 month process to get a survey done then how long to schedule more dates with the NMB when classes are being filled with our current CBA.
In a year maybe or maybe longer get $5 more an hour and losing a descent amount of cash.
Well in that time frame we are just gonna give Spirit Mgt more of a bonus by working under the current CBA.
And how do you know it will be three months? How about six, or two? Simple answer is you nor anyone else knows. But here is the question to ask: “which one has the watches, and which one has the time”
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