This, right here.

 

How about getting scope and not just $5 more? Owning our growth instead of codesharing it and requiring a merger with aquisition. How about profit sharing? Forget the industry bottom pay and section 25. Most other major airline pilots in this country are getting $30k+ checks every year not just a one time signing bonus. Industry leading pay and I can see logic in forgoing it because the good times don’t roll forever, but with these rates we must participate in the profitability.

 

Finally a few posts that actually make sense.
Voting out of FEAR is self defeating.
This needs to fail with a strong NO vote to send a clear message to the NC and the company.
It's not only about asking for more, but rather giving up less.
These giveaways will never come back and are not worth the raises offered.
The company savings more that make up for the 40%.
The NC is beaten down by the hostile environment, sued and exhausted.
They did their best under the circumstances.
Time to send a message that we are not willing to work under these rules for the rest of our Spirit careers.
No schedule integrity, PBS, NO RES drops, out of base reserve, NO TX, all are money savers for the next many years which will never be regained.
We need to think long term and avoid the money grabbing temptation.

 

Lets see, 40% turnout for LEC elections, 50 guys showing up to a picket, guys calling up on All Calls asking questions that clearly show they have absolutely no fng clue whats going on, multiple multiple guys/gals CONSTANTLY violating the CBA to enrich themselves and you wonder where the unity is? C’mon.......you’re smarter than that.

 

You go back and start with the failed TA as a basis and go up from there.

No. You vote this down and you either fire or redirect your NC to renegotiate a new TA.

The NMB's job is to "close the deal." They couldn't care less if it's fair or not. They want a deal put out for a vote and hopefully closed. That's how they measure success, period, end of story. A deal being voted down brings them back and they want this deal done. Your most recent precedents of what happens after TA gets shot down are Delta and Southwest. I'm at Southwest. We essentially started over with a new NC, and new leadership and had a new and FAR superior TA about 9 months later. You couldn't even compare the two TA's, the first one was indeed THAT bad.

The mediators are allowed to lie and misdirect "in the interest of spurring the negotiations." That's why they use fear, uncertainty and doubt as one of their main tools, but in the end, it all lies with the membership and how you vote. They cannot coerce you into voting yes, but they can and do use your ignorance to their advantage simply to conclude the mediation.

Either this offer is adequate, or it's inadequate in relations to your peers. Either you're discount pilots or you're not. That's how the vote should go.

 

Agreed. If they didn't want it and plan to use it they wouldn't have bargained for it. NK reserve life is going to suuuuuuuuuucccck.

 

If this gets voted in a lot of us may have to look at coming over for some Luv. I can't imagine 18 days of reserve sitting airport hot standby while Miramar tries to figure things out. Section 25 alone should be causing everyone nightmares right now.

 

There's already been quite a few... I just hope those that are coming over aren't the weak sister yessies. We already have plenty of our own...

 

Finally, an educated person with an educated post! Cheers!


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My thoughts exactly! The most vocal no voters never even made the attempt to attend a picketing event, some even thought it was stupid to show some unity by wearing one of the lanyards. Yet they’re appalled that this TA was the best the NC could come up with. I’m not willing to vote this down in hopes that a better TA will surface in a few months, when the majority of this pilot group has shown lack of unity to stand behind the NC and MEC during this process.