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Originally Posted by Stan Spadowski
(Post 2525077)
I’m wearing the lanyard the union gave me dumb ass.
Can’t argue with stupidity..... done with you Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
Originally Posted by Tranquility
(Post 2525081)
Monetizing work rules is everyone’s own deal. Personally, I could accept this section 3 if 25 weren’t such an abortion. Or, I could accept section 25 with industry standard section 3... However, I am not willing to accept a loss on both. Just my 2 cents. You seem content with the monetizing of the TAd 25 rules with the TAd section 3, and that’s your prerogative. Many of us aren’t content, though.
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Originally Posted by Freightcowboy
(Post 2525093)
Boy aren’t you a snow flake!! Cry cause people disagree and resort to name calling!! You are a POS!!!
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Originally Posted by UNSUBSCRIBE
(Post 2524945)
-Retro is disappointing, still almost 70k for me
-abuse of Sec 25? Some of the stuff people are complaining about has been in the contract for years. The airport rescheduling is being blown out of proportion (still lucrative if happens) -LTD “pay up” to bring you up to 15k a year and is under $100/month FFS. Completley fair. -9 day VAC?, lol. Thats BARE MINIMUM, more days off will depend on seniority (KINDA LIKE NOW) -No RSV drops is fng garbage, wont argue that. ABSOLUTE GARBAGE -I welcome PBS, line bidding here is garbage, always has been and at least now those who want to waive 4-days off can -2 is the minimum for Long Call, we’ll see if they hopefully add more. Should have been based on % of lines but still a gain. -I wouldnt call SCOPE weak, its just not Ironclad like SWA. Wht we have no is horrendous - 5hrs of sick leave is better than 4 and so is increased Bank of 700 Pay rates arent earth shattering but our current rates are to blame. How many ALPA negotiated CBAs increased rates of 40% at DOS? |
I’ve heard that argument more than once about getting more vacation off if you’re more senior. Makes no sense. Right now you have a week you can bid lines to conflict (or not) with. Even slide if you want. To imply this (+9 days) is something only possible with good seniority now is completely false unless your vacation happens to be the week between Christmas and NYE.
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Originally Posted by Tranquility
(Post 2525081)
Monetizing work rules is everyone’s own deal. Personally, I could accept this section 3 if 25 weren’t such an abortion. Or, I could accept section 25 with industry standard section 3... However, I am not willing to accept a loss on both. Just my 2 cents. You seem content with the monetizing of the TAd 25 rules with the TAd section 3, and that’s your prerogative. Many of us aren’t content, though.
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Originally Posted by UNSUBSCRIBE
(Post 2524945)
How many ALPA negotiated CBAs increased rates of 40% at DOS?
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
(Post 2524695)
Actually, our scope was solid. Our LTD STILL needs to be worked on and is one of the main reasons I voted no on our TA2. Yet, it's light years away from yours... and it shouldn't be. Yet, you're choosing to settle for it. You're also totally failing to see the retirement gain in our TA2 as opposed to TA1 and the effect it had on our income... we no longer had to contribute money in order to get anything from the company towards retirement and this is after the company and the pilot naysayers were saying we'd never see B-plan on the property.
Sure! Just like some people like to be choked, slapped, hogtied and whipped as part of their bedroom fun... It's not just PBS. Assuming you wear the 'Discount Fares, Not Discount Pilots' lanyard... do you think you'll live up to that if you vote YES? Only you can answer that... At the end of the day there are huge gains in this TA. 43% average pay increase, LTD, vastly improved scope, DC retirement, improved rig package, and retention of key QOL provisions. I’m also pro PBS as line bidding is archaic and agreeing to PBS moved the ball forward on a vastly improved rig package for us. I’m not sure in what world that is considered a failure. Maybe if SWA pilots didn’t undercut the entire industry on wages for 30+ years until 9/11 came along I could take your criticism a little more seriously. At the end of the day this is a business decision. Short of another $15-$20/hr, profit sharing, and full retro there isn’t much more to be gained here. I’m not going to pretend like I’m not disappointed that we couldn’t achieve all of those goals this round but I’m also realistic. I’m not willing to gamble the other gains made here in order to possibly get an extra $20k/year in 12-18 months. If a SWA pilot wants to look down on me for that decision I couldn’t care less. I’d love to see how our proposed compensation package compares to SWA’s compensation package in relation to the rest of the industry when they were of equal size. I’m willing to bet it’s not close. SWA pilots should be proud of what they’ve achieved. Your narrow body compensation is now on par with the legacy’s and your scope is the envy of the industry. You guys work your as$es off but at least you’re paid well for it. Bravo... well done. Let’s keep things in perspective though. This has been 50 years in the making. Certainly didn’t happen overnight or in one contract cycle for that matter. |
Originally Posted by UNSUBSCRIBE
(Post 2525070)
Do I believe we can do better by june? No. The reason? We work for arrogant greedy *******s
And for the record im absolutely disgusted with the inability to drop RSV days post PBS. That is the one thing almost swayed me to a NO vote. Any rule saved is for the rest of our time at NK. They may be a$$$...les with huge egos but they have to answer to a board which will not allow this to continue with no end. |
Originally Posted by astral
(Post 2525306)
Just keeping RES drops is worth waiting till June.
Any rule saved is for the rest of our time at NK. They may be a$$$...les with huge egos but they have to answer to a board which will not allow this to continue with no end. |
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