Originally Posted by putzin

I always laugh when a Jblu guy councils. You realize you've never fought or paid a price for anything, right?

I'm not sure what line you think you're holding since your pay has been handed to you to keep Alpa off the property and you gladly accepted. Good for you, unfortunate for the rest of us. You undercut the industry for a decade and did nothing to further the cause. Well, except your fancy blue chips. Most of your cheerleadrs were still in flight school while the rest of us were ensuring you people didn't change flight and duty rules with OUR union dues. JFK-LAX-JFK ring a bell?

Achieve "industry leading" on your new contract and you'll have our respect (which I doubt you care about anymore than you did since 99). Short of that, you and your 700 man March mean chit.

By the way, thanks for joining Alpa because you were afraid of a merger and being stapled.

And YES, we sold too much for too little!

Oh and "good luck".

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

That’s all dandy except many of Jetblue’s pilots were long ALPA dues paying members for years or decades before they went to Jetblue to improve from the regional hell that ALPA helped to create. And now they are members again at Jetblue. Let’s keep perspective.

If Jetblue had called me first and I was based at home it’s likely that I would be there and not here at Spirit. No kid goes to Flight school with aspirations of being a Spirit or Jetblue pilot. We’re all on the same team brothers

Originally Posted by Andy

United pilot here. Huge congrats on your new contract. The company ran you guys through the ringer with underhanded tactics but it looks like you got a great new contract. No contract’s perfect but yours made one helluvan improvement over your old one. And you’ve now made it easier for every other pilot union to get a better contract based on your gains.

One last point: your LTD sounds like it’s industry leading and all the rest of us at other airlines will now be negotiating for a match/leapfrog of the great advance you guys made.

Again, congratulations.

Originally Posted by Yetifan

Good job setting up the Frontier guys for failure and lowering the bar even further!

Originally Posted by Yetifan

Good job setting up the Frontier guys for failure and lowering the bar even further!

Originally Posted by Yetifan

Good job setting up the Frontier guys for failure and lowering the bar even further!

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

Thanks. The LTD was a big item we had to get after getting iced in September. It is very good. I do believe Delta makes the DC 16% retirement contribution on the disabled pilots LTD earnings. I haven’t gotten confirmation on that but it is a big deal if so.

It has been said that ours will be offset by outside income like another job but the information at the roadshow wasn’t clear on specifics (my earnings or joint earnings with a spouse etc). We also get company medical at active rates for 5 years

Anyhow it was a big jump from what we had which was own occupation for only two years. This goes til 65.

It’s 60% of the last years W2 with a max of $15k/mo. First $5k is taxable and whatever you qualify for over that you pay a nominal premium after tax for and the benefit is tax free.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

To keep it simple, Delta pays 50 percent of your salary until 65 years old. They give 32 percent of disability payment into 401k (keeps retirement whole). Almost all pilots subsidize this with DPMA which keeps your pay whole for the first year on long term disability.