Fixed it for ya

Well if you read the contract it says this...... The PBS will allow pilots to preserve or waive “4 days off” on a six-month trial basis. Six (6) months following the implementation of PBS, the Association will inform the Company as to whether to continue allowing such waivers on a permanent basis. My god some of you angry types need to at least come correct if you want to make arguments.

Lowering the bar? Says the guy from Alaska who agreed to arbitration which actually screwed us and every other airline that isn't the size of the Big 4


Oh, btw, I get that it really bothers you that guys at Spirit who got hired in 2015 (same time you got hired at VA) are now at a considerably higher income level than you, but don't worry pal...........you'll get there eventually! Keep ya head up little guy!

Braniff!


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Paul Braniff ran a good airline. In later years, it was the jellybean airline. ;)

Of course I dreamed of “The Airline Run by Fliers”. Then Carl Icahn happened! :mad:

I got into this business in order to fly Braniff's colorful airframes and to be banging smoking hot FA's on the layovers. Needless to say I've been very, very disappointed. My beloved Braniff is gone and it's nothing but gays, grannies, and grandes. I owe a beer to my WN brother for calling a spade a spade.

Eastern L1011 would have been nice. Maybe one day the old days will return.

First flying experience ever was on an Eastern L-1011 to Disney. Coolest airplane and livery ever, lol.

[QUOTE=flyingpuma1;2541382]This ta doesn’t raise the bar for anything, there isn’t one single item in it that’s “industry leading” only reason folks voted for this is because of the bonus they offered (IMO). I do feel for the guys at Frontier and JB as this won’t help them at all, considering we voted in basically JB rates

You are ill informed. No one voted yes to this because of the signing bonus. This was voted yes because this is the best we could get.
We were told by the NMB we will never get released to strike. The company never met with the union outside mediation. With what we did get, the company’s profitability will be well below the industry now and the NMB felt that this is as far as they wanted to go without negatively affecting the financial health of Spirit.
We got the largest increase in pay in a single contract cycle in ALPA history.
So I think the reason we voted yes is because if we didn’t, the NMB was going to ice us for an undetermined amount of time while they went on to Frontier, JB and railroads. Losing $5,000 a month,no scope, no DC, no LTD (own occupation) just to vote no is a very poor financial decision.
Most captains in the middle of the pack will have higher career earnings than going anywhere else at this point other than Delta.

Once the bonus check is gone, your new work rules are in full gear, only then will you know if it was the right thing to do.

NMB will always tell any group they’ll “never release” them as long as the parties are negotiating. But once the TA is voted down, it’s a different ball game.

Loss of pay going forward is only the case if you don’t *require* the full retro. There’s plenty of recent precedent for it. By accepting a fraction of a bonus, you provide the company with greater savings on dragging their feet.

The fact that you got the largest percentage increase means your pay rates were grossly subpar and outdated and shouldn’t be considered too radical or special.

You have no skin in the game in day to day operations because you don’t get profit sharing. Given the industry trends, you left a very big chunk of change on the table, likely to the tunes of tens of thousands of dollars per pilot.

But in the end, I’m just an outside observer. You folks voted your conscience. It’s as simple as that. Congratulations on your new contract. Onto bigger and better things!




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