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Originally Posted by GuzzlePig580 (Post 2539464)

We just got stuck with CURRENT JetBlue rates and lost all of our QOL.....

How do you all think these rates (3rd from the bottom of the majors) will measure up with the rest of the industry in 2025, after we haven’t gotten a raise in years because management is once again dragging their feet in another negotiation?

I’d bet a case a beer we negotiate a JCBA with some other carrier before we see another SPA contract. But I agree. I don’t think we got enough in return for what we gave up.

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Originally Posted by wt93205 (Post 2539253)

A sad day for the airline industry. Spirit pilots. From strikers to sellouts. Lost all my respect.

Hahahaha, ok champ.

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Originally Posted by bodean (Post 2539408)

Maybe you forgot we were SO BELOW average prior that the large percentage from this TA. offsets a net gain in industry average...

When you start from so low, any double digit percentage increase looks H U G E....

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So you are saying we were not included as part of industry average before but now we are?

Any contract that is a net positive for any pilot group, by definition, improves industry average. Pretty simple.

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Originally Posted by GuzzlePig580 (Post 2539464)

We just got stuck with CURRENT JetBlue rates and lost all of our QOL.....
How do you all think these rates (3rd from the bottom of the majors) will measure up with the rest of the industry in 2025, after we haven’t gotten a raise in years because management is once again dragging their feet in another negotiation?

If you mean we gave up our quality of life because we gave up transition conflicts and reserve drops, then yes you are correct. I don’t use either so I see a huge increase in QOL based on: Ltd, scope, pay, rigs, retirement, no reserve drops (yes you read that right.. no reserve drops means line holders will have more flexibility). Transition was on the chopping block in 2010 when the company figured out they had screwed up. Reserve drops was on the chopping block after the May irop. That one sucks for some.

PBS is still to be determined, so we don’t k ow how that will affect things. Could be good, bad, or neutral.

And we are by no means bringing down the industry. Technically we did set the new floor tho.

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Originally Posted by wt93205 (Post 2539253)

A sad day for the airline industry. Spirit pilots. From strikers to sellouts. Lost all my respect.

I disagree. They fought long and hard and lost. Congrats on the new contract.

Congrats fo fellow Spirit guys. Obviously we didnt get everything we wanted but we made some GIGANTIC strides. Thanks to the entire SPA MEC & N/C for getting us this deal.

Good luck to F9 & JBlue, hopefully this helps them achieve their goals

The only negative to this was the five year contract, although that could go either way if/when the economy tanks sometime in the next little while.

AA held out for massive gains in 2001 and voted down a decent base hitting contract with lots of improvements, then 9/11 happened and they were stuck with that turd for over a decade.

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Originally Posted by GuzzlePig580 (Post 2539464)

We just got stuck with CURRENT JetBlue rates and lost all of our QOL.....
How do you all think these rates (3rd from the bottom of the majors) will measure up with the rest of the industry in 2025, after we haven’t gotten a raise in years because management is once again dragging their feet in another negotiation?

Welcome to Spirit. The airline that doesn’t care about its passengers, employees, or anyone else. I had an interview at Spirit in 2007. I no-showed for my interview after deciding I didn’t want to work there or even waste my time on an interview. I was fortunate that I had other interviews lined up. I recognized in 2007 what you are just recognizing now. It’s a second or third rate carrier where you can make a decent living.

what are the rates? Someone please post them

So how long until that aircraft order is announced now?