Long Haul ULCC Potential here?
04-03-2018 | 11:28 AM
#21
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From: guppy CA
Not a very nice thing to say about your fellow pilots who are just supporting their families and causing absolutely no problems for you, your wage package or career at all.
it is not a flag of convenience carrier either. They are using an European Union AOC and American carriers due to open skies agreement can open bases in Europe if they so choose and fly point to point in Europe which EU carriers cannot do in the US.
Open skies allows EU carriers and US carriers to fly between any two points in Europe and the US and the agreement is actually more in the US carriers favour.
So this argument that they are a flag of convenience and causing job losses in the US and wage reduction is an absolute rubbish argument.
Its called competition and to wish your fellow pilots a failed career which results in their families suffering is pretty pathetic!
it is not a flag of convenience carrier either. They are using an European Union AOC and American carriers due to open skies agreement can open bases in Europe if they so choose and fly point to point in Europe which EU carriers cannot do in the US.
Open skies allows EU carriers and US carriers to fly between any two points in Europe and the US and the agreement is actually more in the US carriers favour.
So this argument that they are a flag of convenience and causing job losses in the US and wage reduction is an absolute rubbish argument.
Its called competition and to wish your fellow pilots a failed career which results in their families suffering is pretty pathetic!
To be clear: A flag-of-convenience airline is a carrier that is established in a country other than the home country of its majority owner(s) in order to avoid regulations of the home country. Flags of convenience are often used to decrease labor costs and undercut established markets.
If you think that Open Skies benefits US carriers more than European carriers, you don't know the first thing about how large the US air market is in comparison to Europe.
As for Norwegian, they're in worse financial shape than I initially thought.
They've had an interim CFO since last summer - never a good sign for a company.
They are now trying to sell aircraft that they subleased to an Asian carrier. And pretty much every asset that they have looks like it's up for sale.
They have an "Extraordinary General Meeting" on Friday 13 April (good date to choose
) to get a second, larger stock dilution approved. https://www.norwegian.com/globalasse...of-the-egm.pdfThey're under investigation for accounting irregularities. https://leehamnews.com/2018/03/07/no...ve-accounting/
They're adding 25 new aircraft in 2018, further draining liquidity. I'm expecting to see them cancel those deliveries if they're able - probably too late, since the aircraft have probably already had some airline specific options installed.
They're losing money running mid to high 70s load factors.
Their RASM is declining while CASM is increasing.
That's a whole lot of red flags.
As for the pilots that went to Norwegian, there were plenty of pilots on this forum who warned against going there. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them go fly for Avianca once Norwegian closes its doors.
Those tickets are priced to compete with business class.
04-03-2018 | 11:43 AM
#22
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Not a very nice thing to say about your fellow pilots who are just supporting their families and causing absolutely no problems for you, your wage package or career at all.
it is not a flag of convenience carrier either. They are using an European Union AOC and American carriers due to open skies agreement can open bases in Europe if they so choose and fly point to point in Europe which EU carriers cannot do in the US.
Open skies allows EU carriers and US carriers to fly between any two points in Europe and the US and the agreement is actually more in the US carriers favour.
So this argument that they are a flag of convenience and causing job losses in the US and wage reduction is an absolute rubbish argument.
Its called competition and to wish your fellow pilots a failed career which results in their families suffering is pretty pathetic!
it is not a flag of convenience carrier either. They are using an European Union AOC and American carriers due to open skies agreement can open bases in Europe if they so choose and fly point to point in Europe which EU carriers cannot do in the US.
Open skies allows EU carriers and US carriers to fly between any two points in Europe and the US and the agreement is actually more in the US carriers favour.
So this argument that they are a flag of convenience and causing job losses in the US and wage reduction is an absolute rubbish argument.
Its called competition and to wish your fellow pilots a failed career which results in their families suffering is pretty pathetic!
Flag of convenience.
04-03-2018 | 11:59 AM
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From: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Scabs my ass!! A scab is when you go on strike and they step into your shoes and do your job.
NAS is a LCC where as UA/AA are major legacies with completely different business models.
Legacies make money of their premium product and cargo so your argument does not hold water. As NAS has no business or first class they are not affecting your rates at a legacy.
UA for example are only competing with NAS with regards to economy seating and that boils down to just basic competition. US majors need to stop whinging all the time and improve their product.
NAS is a LCC where as UA/AA are major legacies with completely different business models.
Legacies make money of their premium product and cargo so your argument does not hold water. As NAS has no business or first class they are not affecting your rates at a legacy.
UA for example are only competing with NAS with regards to economy seating and that boils down to just basic competition. US majors need to stop whinging all the time and improve their product.
04-03-2018 | 12:17 PM
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From: CA
I’m just fine at Spirit, buddy. We place an order for wide bodies, I’ll buy you a bottle of you’re favorite booze...
04-04-2018 | 10:40 AM
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From: A320 Left
Has anyone seen the pics of what looks like a more premium big front seat pair complete with legs rests and power ports in Spirit branding floating around? Definitely looks like long haul, low cost, premium seating. Not trying to start rumors, these could very well just be a manufacturers sales demonstration/mock up for Spirit. But I guess they could be something else.
04-04-2018 | 11:38 AM
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Agreed. I think with the advent of the 321LR, they would be the most likely candidates as opposed to 330s or 350s. Fleet commonality, and common type would be a no brainer for Spirit. As you mentioned DTW being able to reach most of Europe and a nice little build up of BWI going on as well.
Has anyone seen the pics of what looks like a more premium big front seat pair complete with legs rests and power ports in Spirit branding floating around? Definitely looks like long haul, low cost, premium seating. Not trying to start rumors, these could very well just be a manufacturers sales demonstration/mock up for Spirit. But I guess they could be something else.
Has anyone seen the pics of what looks like a more premium big front seat pair complete with legs rests and power ports in Spirit branding floating around? Definitely looks like long haul, low cost, premium seating. Not trying to start rumors, these could very well just be a manufacturers sales demonstration/mock up for Spirit. But I guess they could be something else.
04-04-2018 | 12:28 PM
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Sure, sure. Still flag of convenience.
To be clear: A flag-of-convenience airline is a carrier that is established in a country other than the home country of its majority owner(s) in order to avoid regulations of the home country. Flags of convenience are often used to decrease labor costs and undercut established markets.
If you think that Open Skies benefits US carriers more than European carriers, you don't know the first thing about how large the US air market is in comparison to Europe.
As for Norwegian, they're in worse financial shape than I initially thought.
They've had an interim CFO since last summer - never a good sign for a company.
They are now trying to sell aircraft that they subleased to an Asian carrier. And pretty much every asset that they have looks like it's up for sale.
They have an "Extraordinary General Meeting" on Friday 13 April (good date to choose ) to get a second, larger stock dilution approved. https://www.norwegian.com/globalasse...of-the-egm.pdf
They're under investigation for accounting irregularities. https://leehamnews.com/2018/03/07/no...ve-accounting/
They're adding 25 new aircraft in 2018, further draining liquidity. I'm expecting to see them cancel those deliveries if they're able - probably too late, since the aircraft have probably already had some airline specific options installed.
They're losing money running mid to high 70s load factors.
Their RASM is declining while CASM is increasing.
That's a whole lot of red flags.
As for the pilots that went to Norwegian, there were plenty of pilots on this forum who warned against going there. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them go fly for Avianca once Norwegian closes its doors.
Cool. You're totally clueless. https://www.norwegian.com/us/travel-...premium-cabin/
Those tickets are priced to compete with business class.
To be clear: A flag-of-convenience airline is a carrier that is established in a country other than the home country of its majority owner(s) in order to avoid regulations of the home country. Flags of convenience are often used to decrease labor costs and undercut established markets.
If you think that Open Skies benefits US carriers more than European carriers, you don't know the first thing about how large the US air market is in comparison to Europe.
As for Norwegian, they're in worse financial shape than I initially thought.
They've had an interim CFO since last summer - never a good sign for a company.
They are now trying to sell aircraft that they subleased to an Asian carrier. And pretty much every asset that they have looks like it's up for sale.
They have an "Extraordinary General Meeting" on Friday 13 April (good date to choose
) to get a second, larger stock dilution approved. https://www.norwegian.com/globalasse...of-the-egm.pdfThey're under investigation for accounting irregularities. https://leehamnews.com/2018/03/07/no...ve-accounting/
They're adding 25 new aircraft in 2018, further draining liquidity. I'm expecting to see them cancel those deliveries if they're able - probably too late, since the aircraft have probably already had some airline specific options installed.
They're losing money running mid to high 70s load factors.
Their RASM is declining while CASM is increasing.
That's a whole lot of red flags.
As for the pilots that went to Norwegian, there were plenty of pilots on this forum who warned against going there. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them go fly for Avianca once Norwegian closes its doors.
Cool. You're totally clueless. https://www.norwegian.com/us/travel-...premium-cabin/
Those tickets are priced to compete with business class.
Clearly you know nothing about open skies.
https://www.forbes.com/2007/03/26/op...l#13d5f98b3c7b
As for Norwegian premium economy, it is just that...PREMIUM ECONOMY. You cant compete with business or first class if you dont actually have the product.
Try researching...it really helps...I promise!!
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