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11-28-2018 | 08:56 AM
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For the third time we do both. Mutual and open time. Are you dense or something?
11-28-2018 | 10:43 AM
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I’m not bagging on Alligent man. I’m just saying a bunch of mini bases is bad for relative seniority and lowers flexibility because of availability of open time. This isn’t a Spirit vs Alligent dick measuring contest that you want to make it. If you want me to say that Alligent has the best schedules and the most flexibility and the best possible scenario for seniority movement with a bunch of small bases then fine, you win.
I’m for opening another base if it’s a desirable location that a large group of pilots want to live. It’s almost always at the detriment to the pilots staying in the current bases but if it improves qol for a bunch of guys by taking them off the commuter rolls then I’m willing to make that sacrifice. But having a few big bases is the best for the group as a collective.
I’m for opening another base if it’s a desirable location that a large group of pilots want to live. It’s almost always at the detriment to the pilots staying in the current bases but if it improves qol for a bunch of guys by taking them off the commuter rolls then I’m willing to make that sacrifice. But having a few big bases is the best for the group as a collective.
11-28-2018 | 05:39 PM
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Or all people above you could bid BWI A220 and those 10K newhires would end up underneath you....
At NK and WN upgrade is at 55%, except for a few holdouts. At all the legacy carriers there is 20 long haul FOs, and now 2 year captains, as long as you don't mind sitting reserve in EWR+JFK+LGA. I think having more types and more bases gives people more options.
At NK and WN upgrade is at 55%, except for a few holdouts. At all the legacy carriers there is 20 long haul FOs, and now 2 year captains, as long as you don't mind sitting reserve in EWR+JFK+LGA. I think having more types and more bases gives people more options.
11-28-2018 | 06:11 PM
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We have very few retirements in the next 10 years. The majority of my seniority (Hey, that rhymes!) has, and will continue to come from people hired behind me. Especially in the more senior bases. More people behind me means more lines / PBS options in base. I may still need to bid the same amount, but I'll at least have more to choose from. MCO stagnates that.
That being said, I'm glad the company is expanding and continuing to grow. So... silver linings.
That being said, I'm glad the company is expanding and continuing to grow. So... silver linings.
11-28-2018 | 08:27 PM
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We have very few retirements in the next 10 years. The majority of my seniority (Hey, that rhymes!) has, and will continue to come from people hired behind me. Especially in the more senior bases. More people behind me means more lines / PBS options in base. I may still need to bid the same amount, but I'll at least have more to choose from. MCO stagnates that.
That being said, I'm glad the company is expanding and continuing to grow. So... silver linings.
That being said, I'm glad the company is expanding and continuing to grow. So... silver linings.
11-28-2018 | 08:30 PM
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The only thing I was trying to get across, is that having more bid positions gives people more options. You want to be junior on the big plane, or senior on the small plane. I happen to think options are good.
11-29-2018 | 02:55 AM
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You’d be singing a different tune if you happened to live in one of these “mini bases” and were stuck commuting. I can see both sides of the argument though. Also who says that any of the new bases are going to be small, MCO could very well be bigger than Vegas or DFW when it’s all said and done. Same for BWI if that ever happens.
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Plan for MCO is at least the same size of DFW per crew plan
11-29-2018 | 03:39 AM
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Or all people above you could bid BWI A220 and those 10K newhires would end up underneath you....
At NK and WN upgrade is at 55%, except for a few holdouts. At all the legacy carriers there is 20 long haul FOs, and now 2 year captains, as long as you don't mind sitting reserve in EWR+JFK+LGA. I think having more types and more bases gives people more options.
At NK and WN upgrade is at 55%, except for a few holdouts. At all the legacy carriers there is 20 long haul FOs, and now 2 year captains, as long as you don't mind sitting reserve in EWR+JFK+LGA. I think having more types and more bases gives people more options.
11-29-2018 | 04:45 AM
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Right now ACY is the junior base for FOs. Pretty much every month the whole FO list gets replaced. You want to be senior, bid ACY FO! The only way MCO would stagnate your seniority would be if more junior people than senior people bid MCO. If more senior people bid out of your base to MCO it is the same as retirements: your number goes up without the base growing. Without knowing if the new base will be senior, there is no way of telling how it will affect you seniority.
Absolutely not true. Out of the 60 FOs that we have in ACY, 51 want to be there. There is almost no movement for ACY FOs since the senior ones aren't upgrading because they can't sit reserve from home, or are enjoying being senior.
ACY is junior for FO's (only 9 last bid), but the ones that don't want to be there will probably never have to fly a trip out of there. By the time they're done training, they are based in FLL or DTW.
11-29-2018 | 06:14 AM
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I’m not bagging on Alligent man. I’m just saying a bunch of mini bases is bad for relative seniority and lowers flexibility because of availability of open time. This isn’t a Spirit vs Alligent dick measuring contest that you want to make it. If you want me to say that Alligent has the best schedules and the most flexibility and the best possible scenario for seniority movement with a bunch of small bases then fine, you win.
I’m for opening another base if it’s a desirable location that a large group of pilots want to live. It’s almost always at the detriment to the pilots staying in the current bases but if it improves qol for a bunch of guys by taking them off the commuter rolls then I’m willing to make that sacrifice. But having a few big bases is the best for the group as a collective.
I’m for opening another base if it’s a desirable location that a large group of pilots want to live. It’s almost always at the detriment to the pilots staying in the current bases but if it improves qol for a bunch of guys by taking them off the commuter rolls then I’m willing to make that sacrifice. But having a few big bases is the best for the group as a collective.
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