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Lincoln Osiris 07-30-2019 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by Judge Smails (Post 2862056)
I'm sure Boeing has made its offer at this point. If we were going to switch fleets, this company would not be scouring the market for A320 lease returns like it is right now.

great point

RemoveB4flght 07-31-2019 02:20 AM


Originally Posted by Judge Smails (Post 2862056)
I'm sure Boeing has made its offer at this point. If we were going to switch fleets, this company would not be scouring the market for A320 lease returns like it is right now.

Perhaps because our shareholders expect the growth that management has promised?

Assume for the moment that the order is for the 737, and eventually we will be all 737, it won’t happen overnight.

Entry of service program, instructor training, full type ratings, and initially a small 737 fleet means that to maintain growth with new routes and frequency, there will be a need for further 320 airframes for a certain amount of time.

My point isn’t to advocate that we are better off changing fleets, or even that is what we are certain to do... but I wouldn’t base long term strategy predictions for orders off us sourcing additional 320’s in order to spur short term growth.

MCDUmanipulator 07-31-2019 04:39 AM

Folks at HQ seemed pretty confident that even if it’s a Boeing order it won’t be a full fleet replacement.

Lincoln Osiris 07-31-2019 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator (Post 2862338)
Folks at HQ seemed pretty confident that even if it’s a Boeing order it won’t be a full fleet replacement.

Yea that's where i'm at. I could be perfectly wrong but I don't know of any low cost carrier that has had almost 200 airplane ordered/on property that has then gone and done a complete fleet swap. Heck I think EasyJet was only at 50 airframes or so when they switched to Airbus from Boeing.

FNGFO 07-31-2019 05:46 AM

If they mixed the fleets I’d suspect they’d swap out CEO’s for Max’s and keep the NEO’s. That’s my out of left field WAG.

David Puddy 07-31-2019 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris (Post 2862362)
Yea that's where i'm at. I could be perfectly wrong but I don't know of any low cost carrier that has had almost 200 airplane ordered/on property that has then gone and done a complete fleet swap. Heck I think EasyJet was only at 50 airframes or so when they switched to Airbus from Boeing.

Not exactly 200 airframes, but IAG’s Vueling Airlines (Spanish/Italian LCC) is replacing roughly 120 Airbuses with a mix of 737-8 and 737-10 MAX airplanes (out of 200 ordered by IAG). That will be a complete fleet swap for Vueling.

Tranquility 08-01-2019 03:49 PM

Interesting question just came up in my head whilst perusing the contract. The A321 override applies to all Airbus pilots. Does the A220 qualify under this section?

Omniscient 08-01-2019 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 2863305)
Interesting question just came up in my head whilst perusing the contract. The A321 override applies to all Airbus pilots. Does the A220 qualify under this section?

My guess

Union says yes

Company says no

Arbitrator decides all.

Tranquility 08-01-2019 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 2863326)
My guess

Union says yes

Company says no

Arbitrator decides all.

I am almost certain that if the A220 comes on property, this will be the case... Battles the Union should be prepping for...

Halon1211 08-01-2019 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 2863305)
Interesting question just came up in my head whilst perusing the contract. The A321 override applies to all Airbus pilots. Does the A220 qualify under this section?

What does the “A” stand for infront of the 220?...


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