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Acehole 07-27-2019 02:18 PM

[QUOTE=flyingpuma1;2860313]Sure now they are hiring but that’s only because we are so short they thought they could get away with it.



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gripngrab 07-27-2019 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by flyingpuma1 (Post 2860313)
Sure now they are hiring but that’s only because we are so short they thought they could get away with it.

“So this summer, Spirit did what most cost-conscious airlines try once they’re tired of spending a fortune to fix operational woes. Spirit reduced some of the costly changes, flying aircraft more hours each day, and cutting the number of pilots held in reserve for unexpected flying”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/skift.c...t-corners/amp/



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Not sure if you heard so I'll fill in around the edges and put some color to it. They tried to maximize block hours with less crews and spares and found themselves over the skis. Oh, and the weather patterns were horrible and wreaked a lot of the havoc.

FNGFO 07-27-2019 02:24 PM

Also, plane order expected in late August to early September in addition to 13 additional airframes in the current order.

Omniscient 07-27-2019 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by gripngrab (Post 2860364)
Not sure if you heard so I'll fill in around the edges and put some color to it. They tried to maximize block hours with less crews and spares and found themselves over the skis. Oh, and the weather patterns were horrible and wreaked a lot of the havoc.

Welcome to every summer at Spirit since forever.

Macjet 07-27-2019 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by flyingpuma1 (Post 2860313)
Sure now they are hiring but that’s only because we are so short they thought they could get away with it.

“So this summer, Spirit did what most cost-conscious airlines try once they’re tired of spending a fortune to fix operational woes. Spirit reduced some of the costly changes, flying aircraft more hours each day, and cutting the number of pilots held in reserve for unexpected flying”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/skift.c...t-corners/amp/



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Or it's because we have 10 more aircraft deliveries this year and 21 next year.

SSlow 07-27-2019 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by gripngrab (Post 2860364)
Oh, and the weather patterns were horrible and wreaked a lot of the havoc.

Ya know, this kept getting brought up during the investor call and I wish people would quit citing it. The weather has not been any worse than previous years. It's called summer time thunderstorms, and it happens every year in Florida.

They just didn't hire enough pilots, plain and simple. You can blame it on the weather, tooth fairy, Donald Trump, etc...but the when you take aircraft deliveries but slow down the hiring, this will happen EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

godsgift2aviatn 07-27-2019 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2860045)
Never read an article with so many references to pilot scope. The connection between efficiency and making it profitable to operate at mainline is false. They already operate the 717 profitably. The A220 is just better. They could operate all the rjs with mainline pilots profitably without question. Pilot compensation is such a small part of CASM. Airlines just got drunk on the whipsaw of cheap labor for so long that maybe they have started to figure out operating in house is a better product that endless outsourcing. The a220 has nothing to do with scope other than it has to be a mainline aircraft.

If mainline airlines could operate rj's cheaper than regionals trust me they would. They are a business not a charity.

Tranquility 07-28-2019 04:53 AM


Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 2860421)
Ya know, this kept getting brought up during the investor call and I wish people would quit citing it. The weather has not been any worse than previous years. It's called summer time thunderstorms, and it happens every year in Florida.

They just didn't hire enough pilots, plain and simple. You can blame it on the weather, tooth fairy, Donald Trump, etc...but the when you take aircraft deliveries but slow down the hiring, this will happen EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

Except in 2017 when they blamed us and got away with it.... :mad:

Qotsaautopilot 07-28-2019 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by godsgift2aviatn (Post 2860445)
If mainline airlines could operate rj's cheaper than regionals trust me they would. They are a business not a charity.

I don’t believe I said cheaper, I did say still profitably.

And at some point cheaper becomes more costly.

Qotsaautopilot 07-28-2019 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 2860245)
Perhaps. But he was also impressed with how the A220 will be shaping fleet/route strategy for Delta. It’s 20% more efficient than a 717 but flies twice as far - and that’s just the smaller 110-seat version and not the bigger A220-300 with an even better CASM. It’s a game changer for the network planning guys... Imagine what Spirit could do with it.

I agree with all of this which is why I don’t know why he mentioned scope at all. It was never a factor in the 100 seat market. The reason those markets went unserved is because there wasn’t a good aircraft for the mission. The difference between mainline and regional pilot wages was never a factor.


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