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putzin 08-02-2019 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 2863819)
Ignorant isn't an insult. Stupid is.

Any airframe that isn't a 321 will dilute the block hours. Period. The A220, nee C Series, is now majority owned by Airbus (50.01%), is marketed as an Airbus, is called an Airbus, and is sold as an Airbus. Whether we order 220's or 320's it'll be the same. They're both Airbii.

Gotta agree with O.

If you can't fly the 321, you don't get the override. If we flew the 73 you wouldn't get it, so why would we dilute the override of those that deal with the 21?

Too bad we didn't fight for new hires like we're fighting for an airplane we haven't ordered and probably won't.

Not everything in life is fair.. I'm surprised to see your stance.

Qotsaautopilot 08-02-2019 05:23 PM

I have no idea why anyone thinks the company would care. The override is based on 321 block hours. It’s the same amount of money no matter who they pay it to.

It’s us that will have differing opinions about it.

FNGFO 08-02-2019 06:52 PM

At the end of the day it’s about $400 a month or a bit less for CA’s making $250k and roughly half that for FO’s. It’s not nothing, but it isn’t life changing either.

Qotsaautopilot 08-03-2019 04:27 AM


Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 2863961)
At the end of the day it’s about $400 a month or a bit less for CA’s making $250k and roughly half that for FO’s. It’s not nothing, but it isn’t life changing either.

It’s going to be less each check though bc we aren’t taking anymore 321s and are still growing. You understand that right? It’s based on 321 block hours which are mostly fixed at this point. So it’s a fixed amount of money the company is paying out but spread over more pilots as we grow. It sounds silly but as we grow you’d fly the 321 less often meaning if you it only paid when you flew it it would be a shrinking amount in your paycheck than before. Just another way to calculate it.

Point being the company doesn’t care. We have a fixed number of 321s flying a general fixed number of block outs so the company is paying a mostly fixed dollar amount for the override every month. They don’t care if they pay that dollar amount to 1 guy or 3000 guys. It’s the same amount of money.

GrumpyCaptain 08-03-2019 05:13 AM

So it will eventually be just a smidge more than our red eye override.

At least we all get the red eye override regardless of what airplane you fly.

FNGFO 08-03-2019 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2864072)
It’s going to be less each check though bc we aren’t taking anymore 321s and are still growing. You understand that right? It’s based on 321 block hours which are mostly fixed at this point. So it’s a fixed amount of money the company is paying out but spread over more pilots as we grow. It sounds silly but as we grow you’d fly the 321 less often meaning if you it only paid when you flew it it would be a shrinking amount in your paycheck than before. Just another way to calculate it.

Point being the company doesn’t care. We have a fixed number of 321s flying a general fixed number of block outs so the company is paying a mostly fixed dollar amount for the override every month. They don’t care if they pay that dollar amount to 1 guy or 3000 guys. It’s the same amount of money.

I understood the math. It’s not enough money to keep me up at night. If I get it great. If I don’t get it oh well. I’d rather get that 40% more that other airline pilots are making. This override is a rounding error. But that’s me.

Besides, a 220 crew might end up making more on the occasional Deep South trip that the bus can’t do. There’s lots of variables, and it’s all conjecture until people start walking down the jet bridge to fly one.

Green Giant 08-10-2019 09:32 AM

I saw a yellow 747 the other day. DHL was painted on the sides. Was excited for 2 seconds.

David Puddy 08-15-2019 06:09 PM

Although this article was written about SWA, it is relevant for Spirit too (same strategic fleet issues):

https://airinsight.com/is-southwest-breaking-its-737-addiction/

symbian simian 08-16-2019 04:03 AM


Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 2870897)
Although this article was written about SWA, it is relevant for Spirit too (same strategic fleet issues):

https://airinsight.com/is-southwest-breaking-its-737-addiction/

Really? What part of the A320 was certified in1965?

Omniscient 08-16-2019 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 2870897)
Although this article was written about SWA, it is relevant for Spirit too (same strategic fleet issues):

https://airinsight.com/is-southwest-breaking-its-737-addiction/

48 planes coming in 2020 and 2021 for Spirit. They are all NEOs. Spirit is making moves to lower their seat costs going forward.

IF Spirit places an order for CEO Airbus 319s, the article would be relevant, but as of this morning, lots of NEOs coming


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