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Omniscient 08-26-2019 04:22 PM

I can't wait for the aircraft order so everyone on this forum can "finish" at the same time. The ecstasy of it will be amazing....

Ol David Puddy, will lose it

RemoveB4flght 08-26-2019 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 2876837)

I’m calling it..787

We would have a pretty good CASM in that plane.

I know this is meant to be a laugh, but the vagueness of this “article” has spurred this rumor across all the various chat groups.

Here’s why the 787 won’t work:

*Wide body gates are expensive.
*Ground handling can barely handle turning a narrow body, now we need cargo container lifts, large tugs, etc.
*The 787 need 3 GPUs to not shed, can be done with 2 minimum.
*High density seating would need a total overhaul in boarding process
*The “show up and go” mentality doesn’t work for long haul/etops/nat track/etc
*The chaser FA would be a nightmare with 8 doors (2 crews and 2 chasers maybe?)
*Depending on the length of the stage, 8-9 hours or more you need 1.5-2 planes per route to provide a daily service. That’s half a billion to open a longer destination (i.e. Rio/Buenos Aires). We could fly them domestic but do the added infrastructure costs make it worthwhile?

Sure these issues can be overcome, but it’s migrating to a whole other operating model that doesn’t jive with how we do it now.

Omniscient 08-26-2019 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght (Post 2877049)
I know this is meant to be a laugh, but the vagueness of this “article” has spurred this rumor across all the various chat groups.

Here’s why the 787 won’t work:

*Wide body gates are expensive.
*Ground handling can barely handle turning a narrow body, now we need cargo container lifts, large tugs, etc.
*The 787 need 3 GPUs to not shed, can be done with 2 minimum.
*High density seating would need a total overhaul in boarding process
*The “show up and go” mentality doesn’t work for long haul/etops/nat track/etc
*The chaser FA would be a nightmare with 8 doors (2 crews and 2 chasers maybe?)
*Depending on the length of the stage, 8-9 hours or more you need 1.5-2 planes per route to provide a daily service. That’s half a billion to open a longer destination (i.e. Rio/Buenos Aires). We could fly them domestic but do the added infrastructure costs make it worthwhile?

Sure these issues can be overcome, but it’s migrating to a whole other operating model that doesn’t jive with how we do it now.

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Halon1211 08-26-2019 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by SkywardAZ (Post 2877012)
They said end of Aug or early Sept for an announcement at the last quarterly report.

This is a good read. Says a few interesting things.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/spirit-airlines-offer-comfier-seats-003009284.html

David Puddy 08-26-2019 08:26 PM


Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 2877042)
I can't wait for the aircraft order so everyone on this forum can "finish" at the same time. The ecstasy of it will be amazing....

Ol David Puddy, will lose it

It’s difficult to sleep at night I am so excited... ;)

David Puddy 08-26-2019 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator (Post 2876856)
I’m leaning towards an order of MAx 10’s and Max 8’s probably announced the day Boeing re certifies it. Probably why the order has been delayed so long. Don’t want to announce a big order for a grounded airplane.

Would not surprise me. Boeing is desperate and complete fleet swaps are not unheard of this year - Vueling will swap 120 Airbuses for MAX 8s and 10s over the next few years. I still think a combo order for A321 NEOS and A220-300s would be ideal... I guess time will tell...

SG1159 08-26-2019 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 2877168)
Would not surprise me. Boeing is desperate and complete fleet swaps are not unheard of this year - Vueling will swap 120 Airbuses for MAX 8s and 10s over the next few years. I still think a combo order for A321 NEOS and A220-300s would be ideal... I guess time will tell...


Boeing is not desperate.... they have delayed deliveries....

When the FINAL accident analysis comes out- and the blame is, at WORST, shared.... all those “delayed” orders will be demanded ASAP...

Just a small bump in the road.

Super EZ E 08-26-2019 10:06 PM


Originally Posted by SG1159 (Post 2877192)
Boeing is not desperate.... they have delayed deliveries....

When the FINAL accident analysis comes out- and the blame is, at WORST, shared.... all those “delayed” orders will be demanded ASAP...

Just a small bump in the road.

It's more than a bump. Word is it's really bad. Nothing like having the employee parking lot turned into aircraft storage. If you would have told someone this was going to happen 12 months ago they would have said no way.

FNGFO 08-27-2019 02:39 AM


Originally Posted by Super EZ E (Post 2877200)
It's more than a bump. Word is it's really bad. Nothing like having the employee parking lot turned into aircraft storage. If you would have told someone this was going to happen 12 months ago they would have said no way.

They’ve delivered what? A couple of hundred Max’s at this point? Yeah, they’ve got another 5300 on order. This is a bump in the road. A costly, well publicized bump, but a bump nonetheless.

MCDUmanipulator 08-27-2019 04:28 AM

If we get Boeing’s it won’t be a fleet swap...


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