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Just give me a clean room with a comfortable bed that has plenty of food options within walking distance.
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
(Post 2883674)
No one else wants our business for what Spirit is willing to pay to satisfy our contract requirements. Also, other airlines stay there so they satisfy past arbitration. I hate the drive to Long Beach more than anyone but I do like the Westin.
I think we’ve seen a steady decline in hotels since this contract was signed. I don’t mind being near the airport and am a fan of the new hour requirements for long vs short. The problem is that there are loopholes such as Boston where the long is just as close as the short and the short is garbage. Our language is far too weak for what’s satisfactory and when we had more “long” layovers the hotels available usually exceeded the requirements. Now that we have a lot more “short” layovers it brings in a lot more crummy hotels that meet our contract and since spirit bids as low as it can we end up at these. Hotel quality should be a priority in the next round or mid cycle if we can. To me long or short shouldn’t matter and we should be at a four or five star hotel in either situation. That’s not happening today. Keep bringing shortcomings of hotels to the appropriate people. We can’t get a change if folks just accept the garbage they give us. No doubt NK tries to pay pennies on the dollar for everything... but it’s all negotiated by hotel connections and LGB is a bad example... United, BA, numerous middle eastern carriers all stay there... from LAX....? Disregard... after a quick edit and reading further in depth that’s pretty much exactly what you said!! |
Originally Posted by ropestart
(Post 2883667)
No clue why we stay in LGB. Way better options closer to the airport. Hermosa, Manhattan,Redondo and many more.
Long Beach is the best overnight in the system. Easy access to beach, waterfront, good food (and so much variety of it,) bars, bike rental, and a clean, safe area. Don't F this up, nothing else will be this good. (...aaaaannnd I just doomed us all) |
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
(Post 2883674)
No one else wants our business for what Spirit is willing to pay to satisfy our contract requirements. Also, other airlines stay there so they satisfy past arbitration. I hate the drive to Long Beach more than anyone but I do like the Westin.
I think we’ve seen a steady decline in hotels since this contract was signed. I don’t mind being near the airport and am a fan of the new hour requirements for long vs short. The problem is that there are loopholes such as Boston where the long is just as close as the short and the short is garbage. Our language is far too weak for what’s satisfactory and when we had more “long” layovers the hotels available usually exceeded the requirements. Now that we have a lot more “short” layovers it brings in a lot more crummy hotels that meet our contract and since spirit bids as low as it can we end up at these. Hotel quality should be a priority in the next round or mid cycle if we can. To me long or short shouldn’t matter and we should be at a four or five star hotel in either situation. That’s not happening today. Keep bringing shortcomings of hotels to the appropriate people. We can’t get a change if folks just accept the garbage they give us. Have send screenshots of the BOS “long” drive being shorter than the BOS “short” drive to the hotel committee every short BOS layover, no response.... also, sorry, but love LGB, just need to adjust pickups for early show, was at the gate 40 minutes before show last few times, emailed ALPA, nothing. |
Ask 2200 pilots what makes a good hotel and acceptable hotel language, get 2200 opinions.
And I agree with those who think the new 18 hour long language is ridiculous. |
Originally Posted by Ed Force One
(Post 2883836)
There are no reasonable hotels in those areas that don't involve a mile walk to the water. And the drive down Hwy 1 takes just as long as the drive to Long Beach.
Long Beach is the best overnight in the system. Easy access to beach, waterfront, good food (and so much variety of it,) bars, bike rental, and a clean, safe area. Don't F this up, nothing else will be this good. (...aaaaannnd I just doomed us all) |
Originally Posted by Omniscient
(Post 2883918)
Ask 2200 pilots what makes a good hotel and acceptable hotel language, get 2200 opinions.
And I agree with those who think the new 18 hour long language is ridiculous. |
Originally Posted by Ed Force One
(Post 2883836)
There are no reasonable hotels in those areas that don't involve a mile walk to the water. And the drive down Hwy 1 takes just as long as the drive to Long Beach.
Long Beach is the best overnight in the system. Easy access to beach, waterfront, good food (and so much variety of it,) bars, bike rental, and a clean, safe area. Don't F this up, nothing else will be this good. (...aaaaannnd I just doomed us all) |
The people who preach about the LBC Westin have never had the privilege of staying at the alternate long Crowne in Redondo.
Makes Long Beach look like the Red Lion MDT. |
Give me a comfortable bed, a reliable shuttle, free breakfast without powdered eggs, and food/stuff to do around.
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