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David Puddy 04-11-2019 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by putzin (Post 2801189)
And..... We should do what about it?

My point is, you're a broken record.

🍻

Who cares? Last time I checked this was a discussion forum about Spirit. Are you always this cranky? Would you rather suppress peoples’ points of view? Just ignoring the thread would be a good option for you if you have nothing to add.

putzin 04-11-2019 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 2801229)
Who cares? Last time I checked this was a discussion forum about Spirit. Are you always this cranky? Would you rather suppress peoples’ points of view? Just ignoring the thread would be a good option for you if you have nothing to add.

Just ignoring my comment about you would be your best option. 😘

BeechedJet 04-11-2019 07:06 PM

Aircraft order will be announced in Q5.

symbian simian 04-11-2019 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 2801125)
That’s my point. Completely agree. Without securing slots earlier, the alternatives are expensive aircraft leasing or scavenging with others looking to add older Airbuses like UAL, Allegiant and the Chinese LCCs. The Airbus order backlog is long....

Don't worry, the backlog for the max is getting shorter by the hour.

AirbusA321Pilot 04-12-2019 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2801415)
Don't worry, the backlog for the max is getting shorter by the hour.

Excellent!! Bring on the 737's!!

https://i.imgur.com/nKpac1H.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/wcxUy2R.jpg

putzin 04-12-2019 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by AirbusA321Pilot (Post 2801677)


Fake news!

The nose is pointed in the wrong direction.

AirbusA321Pilot 04-12-2019 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by putzin (Post 2801805)
Fake news!

The nose is pointed in the wrong direction.

LOL!! Don't get you panties in a bunch. Where in my post did I say were getting 737's? All I did was post a couple of pics and say bring on the 737's.

symbian simian 04-12-2019 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by AirbusA321Pilot (Post 2801817)
LOL!! Don't get you panties in a bunch. Where in my post did I say were getting 737's? All I did was post a couple of pics and say bring on the 737's.

Whoosh? I’m thinking nose should be 40deg down.....

putzin 04-12-2019 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2801841)
Whoosh? I’m thinking nose should be 40deg down.....

This!

🍻

CarbonCub 04-12-2019 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by putzin (Post 2801805)
Fake news!

The nose is pointed in the wrong direction.

Hahaha😂😂😂 One of the funniest things I’ve read all week. Good one Putzin!!

David Puddy 05-08-2019 04:54 PM

Sorta getting closer to a decision.... First round of proposals done? See below:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/77824-spirit-airlines-nears-fleet-order-stalls-mro-decision

Only time will tell..... Perhaps we’ll hear something at the Paris Air Show in June....

Flightcap 05-09-2019 07:22 AM

VP of Flight Ops told our recurrent class this week that they expect a decision around Q3. 2nd round of manufacturer proposals is happening now. He indicated the intent is to have continuity in deliveries from our current order to the next.

RemoveB4flght 05-09-2019 07:29 AM

David I think you’re a bit premature.

The RFP process is just the first step. Basically all the airframe manufactures have submitted their bids for whatever order size NK has tendered.

Now the lawyers and bean counters will spend a few months dissecting these contracts and negotiating changes and amendments back and forth, probably playing one off the other, until a final deal is structured.

Then, if all parties are satisfied, will they sign the contract and make the announcement. I’d wager we don’t hear anything until later this fall.

FNGFO 05-09-2019 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght (Post 2817028)
David I think you’re a bit premature.

The RFP process is just the first step. Basically all the airframe manufactures have submitted their bids for whatever order size NK has tendered.

Now the lawyers and bean counters will spend a few months dissecting these contracts and negotiating changes and amendments back and forth, probably playing one off the other, until a final deal is structured.

Then, if all parties are satisfied, will they sign the contract and make the announcement. I’d wager we don’t hear anything until later this fall.

I was recently told that the entire process was contracted out to a third party, and that we’d do whatever they suggested once they reached their purchasing conclusion.

TrojanCMH 05-09-2019 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 2817197)
I was recently told that the entire process was contracted out to a third party, and that we’d do whatever they suggested once they reached their purchasing conclusion.



If Spirit is good at something it’s contracting stuff out.


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Qotsaautopilot 05-09-2019 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 2817207)
If Spirit is good at something it’s contracting stuff out.


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Let’s hope it’s never the pilots

David Puddy 05-10-2019 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght (Post 2817028)
David I think you’re a bit premature.

The RFP process is just the first step. Basically all the airframe manufactures have submitted their bids for whatever order size NK has tendered.

Now the lawyers and bean counters will spend a few months dissecting these contracts and negotiating changes and amendments back and forth, probably playing one off the other, until a final deal is structured.

Then, if all parties are satisfied, will they sign the contract and make the announcement. I’d wager we don’t hear anything until later this fall.

You are probably correct, but talks and aircraft demos/reviews with manufacturers have been ongoing for the last 18 months and, at least from the manufacturers’ standpoint, you would want to promote a big deal with a high-profile, low-cost carrier like Spirit at a big air show like the Paris Air Show (this June) or at Farnborough. That’s where big deals tend to be announced. Perhaps they need more time....

flyingpuma1 05-10-2019 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by gripngrab (Post 2635457)
Looks like NK going with the 220. Look for more info late this week from Farnborough.

This quote was from the summer of last year. Ever year this rumor comes back up that they will announce an aircraft order. I'll believe when I see the planes at the gate.

RgrMurdock 05-10-2019 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by Flightcap (Post 2817018)
VP of Flight Ops told our recurrent class this week that they expect a decision around Q3. 2nd round of manufacturer proposals is happening now. He indicated the intent is to have continuity in deliveries from our current order to the next.

If they're going to get continuity in deliveries we're getting the 190e2 or merging with frontier.

Qotsaautopilot 05-11-2019 04:17 AM


Originally Posted by RgrMurdock (Post 2818048)
If they're going to get continuity in deliveries we're getting the 190e2 or merging with frontier.

They said they will have no problem getting airbuses that start being delivered right after our current order ends in 2021

Super EZ E 05-11-2019 04:33 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2818100)
They said they will have no problem getting airbuses that start being delivered right after our current order ends in 2021

Ted told me the same info, he claims getting new Airbuses is not a problem. As we've seen slots open up, Spirit just wants the best price.

RgrMurdock 05-11-2019 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by Super EZ E (Post 2818101)
Ted told me the same info, he claims getting new Airbuses is not a problem. As we've seen slots open up, Spirit just wants the best price.


So they told you they're getting airbuses? Slots open up from where? Everything I've read has indicated that delivery slots are taken through sometime in 2023. Maybe they're going to convert the 380 production line to 320s or work some other magic?

Macjet 05-11-2019 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by RgrMurdock (Post 2818232)
So they told you they're getting airbuses? Slots open up from where? Everything I've read has indicated that delivery slots are taken through sometime in 2023. Maybe they're going to convert the 380 production line to 320s or work some other magic?

In case you haven't noticed our fleet plan has grown from 144 to 180 airframes without a single order. They also stated on the Q1 conference call that they've found additional airframes to keep 15% YOY growth through 2023 until the deliveries with the new order begin. That's an additional 90 airframes without an order. I wouldn't be too concerned.

Omniscient 05-11-2019 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by RgrMurdock (Post 2818232)
So they told you they're getting airbuses? Slots open up from where? Everything I've read has indicated that delivery slots are taken through sometime in 2023. Maybe they're going to convert the 380 production line to 320s or work some other magic?

There are so many intangibles that we don’t even realize that go on with an aircraft order; much more complex than “place an order, get in line for production”

Case and point; Spirit would have not been taking their sweet time on an order if Airbus was “first come, first serve”. When they are ready for my Airbus’ (Airbi?) they will have them.

flyingpuma1 05-11-2019 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 2818269)
In case you haven't noticed our fleet plan has grown from 144 to 180 airframes without a single order.

This is due to not turning some of the old planes back in.

Macjet 05-11-2019 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by flyingpuma1 (Post 2818309)
This is due to not turning some of the old planes back in.

All remaining 31 A319's are being kept when we originally were only keep 15 or so. We've also gained refused NEO's, two WOW airframes, and somewhere they found an additional 90 airframes.

flysooner9 05-11-2019 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 2818312)
All remaining 31 A319's are being kept when we originally were only keep 15 or so. We've also gained refused NEO's, two WOW airframes, and somewhere they found an additional 90 airframes.

I saw the 2 WOW planes this week in Shannon. One is all ready painted. Both are without engines currently

Qotsaautopilot 05-11-2019 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by RgrMurdock (Post 2818232)
So they told you they're getting airbuses? Slots open up from where? Everything I've read has indicated that delivery slots are taken through sometime in 2023. Maybe they're going to convert the 380 production line to 320s or work some other magic?

They (management representative) said he/she didn’t know what airframe it would be at this point but if it was Airbus it would not be an issue getting them without a pause on deliveries between our current order and a new one.

David Puddy 06-04-2019 04:53 AM

Looks like the Embraer E2 is no longer in contention for a 100+ airframe order. That sucks for people who love the ram horns... ;)

More Airbuses, the MAX (I am sure pricing would be favorable) and the A220 are the remaining choices. Decision to be made in next few months with potential deliveries beginning in 2022. I was hoping for a Paris Air Show announcement later this month but that seems unlikely. See article below:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/spirit-drops-embraer-from-aircraft-campaign-458671/

100+ new airframes means a lot of growth and pilot movement. That is great news!

Omniscient 06-04-2019 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 2831228)
Looks like the Embraer E2 is no longer in contention for a 100+ airframe order. That sucks for people who love the ram horns... ;)

More Airbuses, the MAX (I am sure pricing would be favorable) and the A220 are the remaining choices. Decision to be made in next few months with potential deliveries beginning in 2022. I was hoping for a Paris Air Show announcement later this month but that seems unlikely. See article below:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/spirit-drops-embraer-from-aircraft-campaign-458671/

100+ new airframes means a lot of growth and pilot movement. That is great news!

This ridiculous notion that the Max is going to be on sale because of recent events is unfounded. As of last month, Boeing has a backlog of 5900 aircraft, which relates to
7.3 years of orders. Want to take a guess what airframe makes up 80% of those 5900 planes, the 737 NG/Max makes up the 80%. They are not in any need to give this plane away and the public has pretty much moved on to trade wars, 2020 election, and the new season of Below Deck on Bravo.

TrojanCMH 06-04-2019 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 2831362)
This ridiculous notion that the Max is going to be on sale because of recent events is unfounded. As of last month, Boeing has a backlog of 5900 aircraft, which relates to

7.3 years of orders. Want to take a guess what airframe makes up 80% of those 5900 planes, the 737 NG/Max makes up the 80%. They are not in any need to give this plane away and the public has pretty much moved on to trade wars, 2020 election, and the new season of Below Deck on Bravo.



You’re correct that there won’t be any huge fire sale because of the 737 issues. The only reason Spirit may get a deal on 737’s is that Boeing wants a slice of the US ulcc market. Spirit, Frontier, and Allegiant are all Airbus.


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Super EZ E 06-04-2019 08:57 AM

Pist..... It's AIRBUS! It's like telling a girl you want to break up and she freaks out unexpectedly. Hummm... It makes you consider what you can get away with?? Spirit tried the "fake break up" to get the best deal. We're getting more Airbuses! Or the break up is for real! LOL :D

ropestart 06-14-2019 04:32 AM

Who wants to take bets on an aircraft order in Paris?

Sherpa 06-14-2019 04:49 AM

I'll take underwhelmed for 1000 Alex.

An order would be great but I'm not counting on it since they usually blow their timelines, this one was anticipated last year. Wifi was to be easily installed fleet wide by this summer too. Aircraft livery completed a long time ago, etc. I'll be wearing my black and yellow next week though for that big announcement. I hope it happens and I hope it's Airbus with a 3 at the front.

Broxis 06-14-2019 04:56 AM

I'll put my bet on 102 A3xx's.

I base this guess on absolutely nothing and I pulled it straight out of my rear end.

ropestart 06-14-2019 05:01 AM

125 aircraft bus order including A330 options.😁

flysooner9 06-14-2019 05:04 AM

50 A220’s

50 A320’s with options of 321’s

putzin 06-14-2019 05:06 AM

3 airplanes from a Spanish carrier, 2 old returned leases from an Italian carrier and 5 more from the Chinese.

All deals made with reps from other carriers they had dinner with at the Paris airshow.

FlyGuy2002 06-14-2019 05:56 AM

A318s. You heard it here first

flyingpuma1 06-14-2019 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by putzin (Post 2836511)
3 airplanes from a Spanish carrier, 2 old returned leases from an Italian carrier and 5 more from the Chinese.



All deals made with reps from other carriers they had dinner with at the Paris airshow.



^^^^^^ This


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