elmetal

That's pretty much exactly it

GrillMaster

At my last airline PBS experience, (under a different PBS software, but similar), the PBS bid guide specifically stated that requesting 4 or more off after each pairing would almost certainly fail to build a line (contract was 2 off after each workblock, and our trips were wildly mediocre. I never averaged more than 4.5 a day). With the exception of being senior AND having very efficient trips available, 4 days off after every workblock was a pipe dream. Usually you would at least once a month, be awarded 2 days off between pairings, with some 3-5 off after. Just not EVERY time.

Those 4 days you basically wont be awarded pairings on. So it quite substantially limits your pairing pool.

Whether or not that will be an issue here is yet to be seen. We have lots of 4 day trips and if each base has a few 4 day pairings starting each day, it might not be an issue.
Personally, Id prefer to have a few more 1, 2 and 3 day trips available, in addition to 4 day pairings. Would be nice to be able to have more options to turn a 3 day into 5, or 4 into 6, etc. As a commuter, Id like that. But thats not everyones cup of tea.
I think the option to waive it is good. But an option only

elmetal

That's a fair assessment, and while it's a valid concern, it won't limit things THAT much. but you're right it does limit your pairing selection if you have 5 4days that could fit after your previous 4 day but only one of them gives you 4 days off, and it went senior. woops.


Granted it's not as big of a deal since we don't have small bases and there are a lot of pairings that start each day so it won't necessarily be a problem. In ACY, however, you will 100% see this problem.


And I agree wholeheartedly about pairing mix. with PBS pairing mix because paramount because everyone has a different need and a different want, and it's crucial for the people building and making these selections to know what each base is looking for to try and lead pairings that way. There is no reason to fill a commuter base (say LAS) with 40% 1 day trips, whereas somewhere like FLL may be much more into that. It's all about knowing what the people want so they can try and tailor to them. I'm not saying this will happen, but it is certainly something I see the value in and I will pursue.

Jett i son

The company will not "tailor" anything according to pilots needs...
At least NOT for free!

elmetal

The union has input as well.

I'm not saying they will or won't do this or that, I'm saying now they can and the result will be much more focused.

Back2future

Four days off would have worked great if you had a globalizing PBS system but with NavBlue it on the pilots to get a line. If the system can't build a line with 4 days of then you're on reserve or mixed line if you have them.

If I were bidding I would waive the 4 days off but then preference it. That way I could get 4 days off but I wouldn't get shunted to reserve if the system couldn't build a line.

elmetal

Perfect point that outlines why 4 days off mandatory means NOTHING with navblue on a personal level. On a collective bargaining level, sure. We could individually all say min 4 days off and guess what? The "requirement" being there or not wouldn't change the outcome of the solution. It either can or it can't. I'm glad you posted to explain in a different way!

TurboFan

4 days off is one of the most important QOL provisions we have. I would never sell or trade it off. If you don’t like it, waive it, that’s why the option exists.


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Super EZ E

Go to flick and look at the results. Almost everyone kept the 4 day off command in tack. A lot people received a good result. Webster got 21 days off and 81 credit!

elmetal

look at anyone in the lower 25% and you'll see they didn't.