putzin

Sounds like implementation is delayed through at least May, maybe longer???

Qotsaautopilot

I thought we were going live in May?

Nevermind just listened to the recording. This management is unreal. They agree to a contract and violate it at every turn by “interpreting” it differently and waiting for arbitration. How many times did we file group grievances and set arbitration dates only to have the company give in the day before the date. They just like to stall constantly whether in negotiations or not, realizing savings the entire way. They couldn’t care less about ****ing us off along the way.

3inthegreen

Going to be a while now. Company is playing hard ball with the PBS MOU.

putzin

I don't think very long as PBS falls under expedited arbitration, right?

Now if they happen to win, which they rarely do, it might be a while.

Super EZ E

Nope, they want to play the long game. Management claims it should go to the systems board. Bendo doesn't like the new rigs under PBS.

319wisperer

Will they have an option of playing the long game? I think per the terms of the contract with expedited arbitration regarding PBS that they will not have much of a choice.

They pull and 11th hour addition of PBS as a required term of Contract 2018, we fully comply and do our part of the implementation under the agreed upon terms, then they try to pull the rug out from under us again in the 11th hour? While I voted no and don’t love the contract, I still believe in and support the process. I am hopeful and somewhat assured that any arbitrator will tell managment to kick rocks if they try to change their mind now.

I asked Art Luby about the possibility of Managment pulling just this at one of the road shows, and he was very convinced that the company won’t have a leg to stand on if they try to squash PBS as long as we uphold our end. I guess we will see.

My cautiously optimistic guess is PBS or Line bidding with new rigs/duty day by August.

IwasInverted

Why can’t the union just say what the company doesn’t want to comply with? We have to rely on rumors on apc.

Qotsaautopilot

Per the ALPA email, spirit doesn’t think the disagreement falls under expedited arbitration of the LOA and want to go through the normal Grivence process. To me that says they don’t actually want an agreement they just want to stall. What difference does it make to them whether it goes to expedited arbitration or regular? One reason: one process takes forever and they buy more time at our currently terrible rigs at 2nd to bottom pay. It’s negotiating in bad faith and blatant stalling just like they did in sec 6 and will do again in our next CBA. I hope all the new guys are seeing this. A year in and they are already showing what they will do for years in 2023. We should’ve gotten the rigs day one PBS or not.

319wisperer

I’m saying that I don’t think they have a choice of whether it goes to expedited or system arbitration. Granted that without knowing the issue at hand as iwasinverted mentioned, we are merely speculating. If the issue has to do with the PBS LOA, it goes to expedited arbitration as defined in the terms of contract 2018. The whole point of the expedited arbitration clause was to protect both parties interest in the event that the other side dragged their feet. I simply don’t think that either side can just claim that a particular issue isn’t eligible for expedited arbitration. This would defeat the purpose of it. The company can claim what ever they want, but just like I cannot refuse a legal Y list trip if I pick up my phone, they too have contractual protocol they have to follow.

You’re absolutely right that we either should have gotten new rigs/duty day from day 1 or otherwise a tit for tat trade; they get transition conflict and reserve drops when we get the new rigs.

IWalkJun12

It’s not a jab at our guys but this is why lawyers should be negotiating our contracts not pilots that go to 5 days of ALPA training.