I didn't sign up for a payroll deduct nor do I need it. BTW I inserted a payment form when I ordered the jacket. that's what make it so strange. :confused:

That’s my point. Crickets from the union. Should have kept us up on what’s being considered and where they are with the process and choices. That would have allowed us to express our preferences. Just like every other airline. Not suggesting we’d have some veto power. But they would know what we wanted. Not this POS Members Only retread.

We have the Karbon jacket, leather and blazer at WN. I have all three and prefer the leather for colder weather and the blazer when it’s mild. I don’t like the Karbon at all. It fits me kind of weird, and I don’t feel as professional wearing it. Most here wear the leather.

I keep a warm but packable pullover in my bag for overnights

Never said it was me... but they’re out there... everyone has different circumstances... relax

That’s not true. I see at least 60/40 Karbon vs Leather here at WN. Oh, and BTW we had this exact same b**** fest on the WN forums about it looking unprofessional and nobody was going to order it much less wear it. I see more and more show up every trip and it seems by far the go to option for most of our pilots. I can pack it in my suitcase and don’t have to drape it over my rollerboard while walking through the Airport if it isn’t needed at the time. Not something that’s possible with the Leather and not practical for the Blazer.

Ok what?????

Read the bold. The Karbon without the liner is nowhere near as warm as the leather

So get it with the liner, problem solved. Either way, you can’t deny that it’ll be much more efficient than the leather for its size and weight.

I absolutely agree. Once the company reimburses for this vs the blazer, I will definitely be getting it. But not out of my own pocket.

Absolutely, I’m with you on that one!

Truth in packaging
 

I wore an approved raincoat (over a sweater in cold weather). The fact that it was cheap and unfashionable, like the owner, made it perfect for layovers. :p

Wings go above or below star fleet academy patch?

When will people stop making this argument?

We get paid like Virgin America pilots, so why am I required to wear a tie to work?

I'd be happy to be paid like SWA pilots, and even they wear this style jacket. (Uglier, actually.)

What we get paid has *ZERO* to do with what we wear and everything to do with allowing ourselves to be emotionally manipulated by a management team that was genius on their side of the negotiating table.

Well said. It’s such a tired argument.


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Well, I see more leather. Maybe it varies by base? Now that the weather’s warmed up, we won’t see as many of either...

Save the $20 and just take the patch off your "Spirit B-29 Bomber Jacket" next time your 9 year old isn't wear it. :D

I just got a blank black square.


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Ah, that is the invisible stealth night fighter patch. :D

I haven't either for what its worth, am I missing something?

Now that it’s cold. Any carbon jacket pireps?

Yes, it’s awesome IMO. Great quality, warm and you don’t look like Tom Cruise on your overnight. I few SWA crews I’ve talked to say when it’s really cold outside it’s better than a leather jacket. The sizes are big though so go at least 1 size smaller than you think you need.

Agree on the size, I’m 6’2 and a medium fits well. Also, I’m probably returning the liner. I don’t think it was worth the money as the jacket is warm enough without it.

I would probably just wait till after the merger.

Lol fellow pilots amaze me. Lets wear dress pants, tie, and uh let’s see...a North Face jacket (look-a-like)

I would love to see a doctor ditch the white coat for a hoodie. I mean it would be more comfortable in that cold hospital.

“Why buy that jacket? I’ll continue to wear my NorthFace. If looks kind of the same”

Sincerely,
20% of the pilot group

Because dress pants, tie and a silly bomber jacket look so much better. Love the new North Face look alike.

I purchased the company liner to wear with my north face.

From CP, and I can't find the original email:

Jackets: Jackets are optional during warm weather. At the moment, the only approved optional uniform jacket is the Perrone Leather Jacket.

Base Chief Pilots are not the “uniform police;” however, they have been instructed to make routine inquiries for wildly outrageous uniform decisions.

We are currently in the process of sourcing a new uniform. We still have a good deal of time ahead of us before this occurs. You should continue to order from the current HPI uniform selection.

Many have asked about the Karbon jacket option. Although this is not an official uniform piece, you may elect to wear it, provided the approved epaulets and wings are worn with it. The Velcro name tag should not be worn. We are working on making this an official uniform selection; but do not expect this to happen in the immediate future. I’d like to thank the uniform committee Ryan Pachofsky and Jessica Meyer for their passion for appearance and professionalism. Thanks for serving our pilot group.

No, I’m talking about the blazer.

Yes the blazer looks best but try not to take yourself to seriously, especially when it’s 6 degrees and windy in DTW.

https://www.wearfigs.com/products/womens-essential-hoodie?variant=13615299002417&gclid=Cj0KCQjw_5rtBR DxARIsAJfxvYDugsTZtDB2fvxkbkNCQeb2GTNGu7zzKSuZl8vo xr-_q9ONNdbnBX0aAkqNEALw_wcB

lol that’s funny! Now on their next video they need to replace her stethoscope with a Dave and Clark headset.

Symbian, your in charge of this one...We need to get this in Black with yellow stripes on the sleeve, show the CP and get this approved now. Imagine how great this will be for red eyes.

Exactly.

And the answer should “where are your epaulets and wings? They are required on the Karbon jacket and your NorthFace doesn’t have them. Do you wear your required shirt without epaulets and a tie when at work? Now stop being too cool and get an approved uniform”

Oh man, I can only imagine how many guys bought the Karbon and are not wearing the required epaulets and wings with it.

But in the end, management created this uniform mess, they can clean up the compliance. It’s clear pilots can’t police themselves so sadly it’s time for the company to treat us like children

Anyone notice that the Karbon outer only is $209 but at karbon.com/southwest it’s only $174.

What gives? Same jacket?

Catered pizza party?

Frankly everyone who bought the Karbon jacket is getting played. We're supposed to get paid uniforms. Yet you guys gave away that piece of the contract the second you got the opportunity. It's obvious the reason management has made this jacket "approved but not approved" is that they want us to wear it but they don't want to pay for it.

My vote is for the hoodie that Symbian posted. I’m custom ordering mine today.

You want to know what a Ultra-low cost pilot that makes ultra-low wages really looks like? Just wait till you see me walk down the terminal.

We’re high value pilots now, ultra low cost was dropped a year ago.

Which is why I'll keep wearing my $30 NF look alike.

Or you could wear the blazer or leather which are approved and paid for by the company.