That pretty well sums up how the rest of the country views the entire state.

How bout DFW?

Thanks!

Keep in mind these numbers will start to rapidly change once all the classes start running in July.

Yes. It will probably look like this on every vacancy if

MCO FO-30
MCO CA-15

56 new hires a month and 20 upgrades a month, might just be more than MCO. If say BWI opens before the end of the year.

AA is adding 100 flights a day out of DFW with the new E gates. Be nice to see some growth in DFW.

NK going from @18 departures a day in the winter to @ 33 for the summer. Be nice to see that go to 50 plus.

I believe this is via AA regional partners, not sure tho.

It's the satellite gates, I'm sure you are correct, tying into smaller markets. Still AA.

Yeah it’s all American Eagle flying.

threat to Spirit ? DFW to Little Rock ?



I am kind of amused and pleased to see Spirit do well at DFW when other airlines could not.


Ideally this remains a pilot base forever....

American will not be a threat to Spirit. Well over $30 BILLION in debt with only ~$4. billion in cash and one of the lowest margins in the industry; not an immediate problem. They could decide to undercut our pricing at the expense of their meager margins, but that should make their investors very unhappy. Southwest is the company that could take the battle to us if they choose to...

Comes a point where American will need to focus on making money instead of undercutting Spirit. It only gets tougher for them if/when fuel goes up and the economy slows.

Their **** poor service isn’t helping them. I do love and appreciate the irony of a Spirit pilot saying that; times a be a changing

Hear hear!!!

bwi??!!!! No more bases!!!

All the runway closures?! I hope there is no more than one, that place will have big problems otherwise.

Haha.

Runway closure(s). I guess he is referring to the closing of 10L and 28R

YUP! The Airport told the Airlines the need for a pull down while construction takes place.

Ugggh. Another vacancy bid with four upgrades.

But I was told there would upgrades and new hires everywhere [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787] side note this vacancy bid doesn’t surprise me at all.


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Not surprised at all we keep getting lied to!


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So why would there be more than that if they’ve publicly said that hiring and upgrades won’t ramp up until July?

Because that vacacancy that just came out is for August.

August is after July...

Personally I’m confused about that. Effective date is August but it says classes covered in this bid ( for upgrade ) is July 8th.

This is the August award.

Because you go to upgrade July 8th but aren't considered a "CA" for staffing until the start of the following month, where its assumed you'll be on the line at some point. You're in upgrade but its isn't "effective" until the start of the next month, in this case, August

Bottom line is August they will have 4 more CAs..thats it...so basically they are looking at their summer CA staffing and saying "looks good". So Captains, enjoy those X list calls this year when the company melts down, again, like every other summer

FOs had 5 start this month already and 4 starting in June. So basically they are saying their FO staffing is awesome too. Even IF they did a class of 50 FOs for July, they wont be on the line until the end part of summer anyways...FOs, enjoy those X list calls this year when the company melts down, again, like every other summer

Read it again, he said that the NH and Upgrade will not start until July. Look at the class dates, it covers the NH that starts this month, and early July upgrade class date. The class dates and how many are in that class are the important numbers. We don't even know how many NH we will have in July.

It really doesnt matter in the end, newhires in September wont do anything for Reserve pilots getting rammed hard this summer or the impending collapse because our staffing is already showing "lacking" and we aren't even at Memorial Day yet...Ah, the Spirit Summer Stress Test...still waiting for them to successfully pass one.

After July you say?

Better write that down somewhere.

People ask stupid questions, they get stupid answers.

Fixed it for ya. Insults have more sting when accompanied by a basic command of the language.

And nothing is stopping them from adding more classes or deciding to ramp up in August instead. Or we can run around in a panic and decide that we’re being lied to.

Option B is more fun. :D

It’s certainly the default setting for many.

Well, ya, money is stopping them. Money is the reason for everything they do. So there is a reason to not ramp up early, money. There is a reason why they dont say "Hey, lets make sure we are properly staffed for the summer and get hiring done early," its money. Everything about this company is based on kicking the can to the last second to save money. Problem is the "can" usually goes off the cliff because they kicked it too long.

Every summer they run short on pilots and it leads to some sort of collapse. Ask any pilot who has been here for at least 3 or 4 summers...

We only invest just enough to keep the IT department barely functional, every pilot should know that based on experience. Saves money.

The company disputed our rigs to help delay PBS for a month, to save money.

We are not that far removed from when this company was a place that removed half of the light bulbs in their corporate office to save money, and had an empty desk where a receptionist would sit.

So to what is stopping them? Money. Its always money. So don't believe for a second if they can't find a way to delay hiring another few months, they will. This isnt "running around in panic," its being aware on who we work for.

WOKE!

Yeah, uh, it’s the same story everywhere. Bean counters are bean counters. They only see immediate costs and are **** poor at down the line consequences. It’s been that story at every operation I’ve ever worked at, and every operation I’ve ever flown for has had peak flying issues.

Enjoy the premium money if and when another meltdown comes.

“They’re doing it to save money!” is a mind boggling reason to get “Woke”. No sh*t. Of course they’re doing it as cheap as they can as long as they can, and have some cost benefit analysis to show to the decision makers to justify their reasoning. Or a new, supposedly more efficient, scheduling system that they’re working out the kinks on is another valid reason for the delay.

That train runs both ways. Adding a class or spooling up a month later, particularly with much of the training department in low demand, wouldn’t be a problem with a wind shift in Miramar.

Or we can go diving down the nearest available “They’re lying to us, we’re never gonna hire or order more aircraft” hole.

The chiefs and training department were given projected numbers for growth and upgrade. You’ll live if they miss the start date on that by 60 days.

This isn’t a regional; running it like a regional isn’t the same as a regional running like a regional. So your basis on where you were before night not translate as easily or conveniently as you want it to.

“Bean counters being bean counters” isn’t just the blanket universals truth you want it to be. Airlines either wake up and develop the infrastructure, or they don’t. It’s why I mentioned the light bulbs, I believe we now have full light bulbs. It was a decision, as basic as it seems.

I’ve never said “they are lying to us,” you keep going there. You said there isn’t a reason why they would not train and hire more for August, I said there is, money. I will live just fine, I was hired here before the growth and do not need more planes for an upgrade or to hold my base of choice. Done and done. It seems you are the one really wanting hiring to start ASAP in order to get one of the above for yourself. In a weird twist, I’m better off short term when the company craps the bed this summer, more money to be made at 200%.

I didn’t come from a regional. I don’t “need” the upgrade. And while everyone would love to see hiring happen, I’m not the one losing my mind on here like some when vacancy bids come out.

You’re pretty terrible at projecting. I’d avoid it in the future. If you read the thread you’ll find the lying comment. Not every comment in a post is directed specifically at you.

Ouch...so grumpy.

As far as I remember, the plan is approximately 150 upgrade and 300 new hires (150 growth and 150 to replace upgrading FOs)

The most recent vacancy bid was 5 openings in august for 5 FOs that started early May, so 3 month lead time.

The first classes of the hiring pick up in July would then be bidding for October, so it seems to me that’s when to expect a bigger vacancy bid put out.

As far as upgrades, say that would be 28 a month, doubtful they would begin pulling large numbers of FO’s off the line until they had new hires ready to fill the gap, so that may start a month or two after the initial new-hire machine cranks up.

It seems logical not to expect large vacancy bids with massive movement until close to the end of the year, and Q1 next year.... and that’s if there are no major hiccups/training backlogs/etc along the way.

Don’t mean to hijack the thread, but does Spirit hire right at their preferred minimums? Currently at a Regional and looking into the future, I would like to be based where I live (MCO).

Thank you

Won’t know until you put your app in. Try to get an internal recommendation as well.

I saw the application is on the Spirit website and not through airline-apps. Is it a one and done submission or can I also periodically update an existing application?