I completely disagree. I want to fly with the best and brightest. I want my family to fly on planes with the best and brightest. I want to sit next to guys that aren’t other companies’ left overs

Delta is hiring.

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I agree with you. It’s nice to be picky because of the massive amount of apps vs. taking anyone with a pulse and a medical.

No. They’re not.

I interview soon.. But the pay cut is really a problem for me.. I would have to sell my place and move out of state to still be poor supporting my small family..

Bull$$$t..

i sold my house, shut off my cable and wifi, and lived as cheaply as possible for a year, yes it hurt but me and my family are far far better off now. its a short term sacrifice. year 2 i made same $ i did as an RJ ca, every year since ive made more. now i make more tripple what i made as an rj ca

I’d also would like candidates that also have some self worth aren’t just happy to be here because it’s the only place they could get on and it’s better than a regional or better than xyz foreign carrier or better than 36th street cargo in Miami. A solid handle on the English language would be nice too so we don’t sound like Mesa when we show up in LAX or ATL.

Not saying everyone we got right before the contract or now when we need to fill lots of classes is like this but our new hire package certainly doesn’t get 60 a month of the best.

I start 9/23

House is up for sale, boat is up for sale, and my year old truck is for sale. Small sacrifice to have Job security and great retirement in my book.

Small family here wife 3 year old and a dog.

Thankfully I was able to save some cash from the Corporate world and will help us through the first year.


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That's great man, yeah, I'm with ya.. I just hope I can make all the puzzle pieces fit in order to head for class. Couldn't start until my place gets sold for sure. Not to get too far ahead of myself, it's not like I got a CJO lol.

Some of you must have been keeping way to high of a debt to equity ratio.

Too....

I had enough socked away for 1 year at $40/ hour (then AA’s starting rate) so for $1.50/ less an hour I could make the stretch for just one year. How some people don’t budget for this when considering this career is beyond me. Is it right? Hell no! But c’est la vie...

Are you familiar with Dave Ramsey? This average household in this country is ridiculously in debt.

Did the Money Makeover 5 years ago. Best thing ever. Thankfully I didn’t have too much to dig out of, but man some people who call in... it’s crazy.

I got TBNT. While everyone was qualified I was very shocked by the low experience levels. I don't know if this is a Spirit strategy or if this is representative of who they have applying so I'd encourage all low timers to put their app in.

One can make whatever excuses you want about first year pay but the reality is that ultimately you get - as coworkers - what you as a company are able to recruit. Expecting someone to go through training and the first year taking a $30k cut in pay to NOT affect the quality of the pool you are drawing from is just silly. But expecting that anyone who does go through that to feel strongly that he or she owes any loyalty to the people above who LET him/her be cr@pped upon in the contract or in the pilot group as a whole isn’t silly, it’s stupid. You want a pilot group where it’s every man for himself? That’s what you’ll get.

I don’t care that it’s better than what you had, or that when you were a newbie FO you had to push back the aircraft yourself, uphill, after you did the walk around, IN THE SNOW, surviving on snack basket leftovers, and you were glad for the chance. Because things are changing. The demographics are changing. Some regionals and a lot of ACMIs are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

If that’s where you want your newbies to come from, keep treating them like dirt. You’ll get your wish.

Low time? I watched my neighbor get hired at DAL with 2800hrs TT. Personally know another with 1200 TT get hired at AA. Just because we didn't hire you don't act like a know it all expert now after the fact. It's not just about TT. It's about do you fit in here at Spirit. They didn't think you were a good fit. So what, go to DAL or UAL. Good luck! :D

It's not the debt guys, it's just California lol.. And anyways, my generation finished college with our ratings right when the worst recession in nearly a hundred years started.. So while I don't have what would be considered "bad debt," thankfully, I don't have any real assets either (besides some modest equity)..
I wasn't able to buy a house in 2010-2015 and make a quick 100k like some folks.. Anyway, I don't owe anyone an explanation of why $57 an hour won't work in my situation... And I'm not saying I'm not willing to make the adjustment or sacrifice or whatever. It's just lame your first year pay is $57. No need to roast y'all. And definitely no need to get defensive! You guys sound like a great group of folks, and that's the main reason I applied.

Agreed! They do not care.

I agree that first year pay is rough but would you say the same things in regards to first year pay about Hawaiian or UPS , both Lower than Spirit? I imagine more people here are sympathetic to our new hire pay issues than other places.

Just rack up a bunch of credit card debt on first year pay like the rest of us...


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Sorry to hear; better luck with the next attempt.
If you don’t mind me asking, when did you interview? Aug 7?

Abso-friggin-lutely. They are similarly disgraceful. And the problem is the union and it’s members, not management. They have demonstrated the ability to extract decent money from management in those contracts. And at the same time they have demonstrated they really don’t give a $h|t about their own new hires.

Whaaaaa??? Guess all you losers gotta work for SpurtWhangs then!

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Hawaiian's is criminally low lol.. Ups, yeah, same story.. $10 less than spirit 1st yr pay, but $70 more than spirit second year pay.. Yeah I don't expect sympathy at all.. I know anyone over 35 civilian has probably seen $19 first yr so... Yeah.. I get it. I can make the life adjustment if I have to.. I just got a little defensive when it was insinuated that its a debt/money mgmt issue. You can be debt free all you want.. $57 an hour is gonna be tough to support a family on in California

Hahaha you always say it better than me homie!

Well, with guys here with attitudes like this:

It’s obvious some of these people don’t give the northerly end of a southbound rat about their fellow pilots. He’s not only NOT looking after the most underpaid people in the pilot group, he wants to hold ALLOWING MANAGEMENT TO RAISE NEWBIE pay hostage to higher pay for himself.

That’s raising FUPME to a new level.

I never quite understood from the old old contract to the old the first year pay went from $40 an hour to $38.50. That was always a head scratcher. That being said I would have killed for $57 when I was at $38.50.

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Management loves the “its better than my regional” philosophy. It’s what got us our stellar (sarcastic) new contract where on reserve we lost all qol. The more people they hire with this philosophy the more the bar is lowered every time come contract negotiations. I also agree that we will start struggling to find new hires again, unless other airlines stop hiring completely.


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I'm not saying it's right. I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm simply saying, this is the reality.
They didn't drop the ball, they got the largest percentage raise in ALPA history, including a significant first year pay bump.

It wasn’t even industry standard. Pull your head out of the sand. Enjoy flying with the below industry standard. We are getting some great guys no doubt but not 60 a month. And the good ones we are getting are leaving bc everywhere else is paying $90/hr with healthcare day one. Just wrote a LOR the other day for one. Hate to see them go.

If it's that easy, we need you as our CNC chairman. I think you'll find that you can't just walk in, say "Industry Standard" and walk out with a TA.

Soooo, you and everyone that didn't come from the regionals left BETTER jobs for Spirit? Why did you come here? I'm guessing because it is better than your last job. I know that most pilots that suffered through the "lost decade" as regional pilots are waaay more concerned with contract issues than others that came via other avenues. Simply because we suffered with crappy work rules much longer. I will give you that some of the new guys really haven't experienced much abuse simply because they are relatively new to the industry and may be prone to what you are saying. But, you are painting with a very broad brush. This place is way better than a regional, as it should be.

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Of course everyone comes because it’s better then their last job, it’s the fact it’s becoming a “better then my regional” mentality issue. It is for sure better then a regional but with this (general) mentality we lost qol in the last contract because even with the loss it was still “better then a regional.” All one has to do is look at how swa negotiations went, there wasn’t (much) of a “better then my regional” mentality over there. After their first ta got shot down they brought in a new negotiation team. It’s a good example of what we should have done.


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^^^ exactly. We got a lotta limp d*** dudes here. Management must love it

It's always easy to say what we should have done since no one knows what the outcome would have been. It's an argument that's totally unproveable. I agree that it's far from a perfect contract but as much as I hate the phrase, "it is what it is." A majority voted it in. Next time (I'm not saying you personally), all of these stiff ***k keyboard warriors, should do a better job of educating us idiots or maybe ensure that they are doing the negotiations.

What are you doing with a wife who is 3 year old????

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I came here because I got laid off from a great job, and not a lot of hiring going on.

$57 puts your in the 78th percentile of income in the us.

If you don’t like it here, leave. It’s a great country we live in. Go be a 777 pilot, a stock broker or a real estate agent or what ever floats your boat. You can even go float boats!

If you are here, enjoy it! Life is too short to be miserable. Also, I vote yes to change our NC.

Well, let's be a little more realistic. Don't forget new hire training pay. That will bring that $57 down to somewhere in the $24 range for those months. And those are 3 long months.