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Originally Posted by skigambia
(Post 2868855)
I'm not saying it's right. I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm simply saying, this is the reality.
Originally Posted by skigambia
(Post 2868595)
Dropped the ball? Far from. You don't waste negotiating capital on people who aren't on property. If the pay is preventing the company from getting quality candidates they will become very eager to go back to the negotiating table. In exchange for higher first year pay, the association will seek improvements in the contract that will help pilots who are on property and paying dues.
You explicitly INDORSED the tactic of screwing first year guys to drive down their quality to extort the company into paying the non-newbies more to ALLOW the company to pay the newbies a better salary. That is just WRONG on so many levels, from professionalism and pilot group unity to safety to just basic morality. Denying what you CLEARLY STATED is almost as reprehensible as stating it to begin with. Unless, perhaps, it reflects a little embarrassment that you actually said it to begin with. Even then you ought to be man enough to OWN IT, and admit that you were wrong to indorse it. |
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Wow, so nice to see guys getting fired up about the contract and negotiations! Hope to see y’all out there when we’re picketing in 2025!
Fact of the matter is we got what we deserved! Unity and event attendance was abysmal! Most apathetic bunch of pilots out there! A recall should’ve taken place as soon as the TRO hit. We lost all our leverage after that! Not only did we sell first year guys down the road, we also sold current and future reserve guys down the road! Bendo played us perfectly! Hats off to him! SWA, JETBLUE... all had guys pulling and fighting in the same direction! Event participation was off the charts! But hey, we got 40 guys out of 300 to show up at a picket event and guys that couldn’t put on a freaking lanyard! |
Originally Posted by sioux8ships
(Post 2869038)
Wow, so nice to see guys getting fired up about the contract and negotiations! Hope to see y’all out there when we’re picketing in 2025!
Fact of the matter is we got what we deserved! Unity and event attendance was abysmal! Most apathetic bunch of pilots out there! A recall should’ve taken place as soon as the TRO hit. We lost all our leverage after that! Not only did we sell first year guys down the road, we also sold current and future reserve guys down the road! Bendo played us perfectly! Hats off to him! SWA, JETBLUE... all had guys pulling and fighting in the same direction! Event participation was off the charts! But hey, we got 40 guys out of 300 to show up at a picket event and guys that couldn’t put on a freaking lanyard! Where were you guys at the picketing event where 40 Spirit guys showed up? The contract road shows in FLL that had 10 people show one day, conference calls with low participation...etc Apathetic as hell. You guys want industry leading or industry standard pay? Start putting in industry standard participation in the process. How many first year guys making $38.50/hr were picketing at the events, demanding a living wage for those hired after them? Not many. Until this group gets off its collective butts, it won’t change. Accept it or change it, this is a fact. |
Originally Posted by galleycafe
(Post 2869030)
Endorse
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Originally Posted by sioux8ships
(Post 2869038)
Wow, so nice to see guys getting fired up about the contract and negotiations! Hope to see y’all out there when we’re picketing in 2025!
Fact of the matter is we got what we deserved! Unity and event attendance was abysmal! Most apathetic bunch of pilots out there! A recall should’ve taken place as soon as the TRO hit. We lost all our leverage after that! Not only did we sell first year guys down the road, we also sold current and future reserve guys down the road! Bendo played us perfectly! Hats off to him! SWA, JETBLUE... all had guys pulling and fighting in the same direction! Event participation was off the charts! But hey, we got 40 guys out of 300 to show up at a picket event and guys that couldn’t put on a freaking lanyard! Absolutely agree! I was sad to see so few people at the picketing events. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 2869010)
I beg to differ. What you said is:
You explicitly INDORSED the tactic of screwing first year guys to drive down their quality to extort the company into paying the non-newbies more to ALLOW the company to pay the newbies a better salary. That is just WRONG on so many levels, from professionalism and pilot group unity to safety to just basic morality. Denying what you CLEARLY STATED is almost as reprehensible as stating it to begin with. Unless, perhaps, it reflects a little embarrassment that you actually said it to begin with. Even then you ought to be man enough to OWN IT, and admit that you were wrong to indorse it. filler |
While your at it if you want to get paid like a legacy try dressing like one. Saw a guy in FLL with ridiculously faded light blue casual style pants and a Walmart blue tie. Was absolutely hideous looking.
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Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator
(Post 2869068)
While your at it if you want to get paid like a legacy try dressing like one. Saw a guy in FLL with ridiculously faded light blue casual style pants and a Walmart blue tie. Was absolutely hideous looking.
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Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator
(Post 2869068)
While your at it if you want to get paid like a legacy try dressing like one. Saw a guy in FLL with ridiculously faded light blue casual style pants and a Walmart blue tie. Was absolutely hideous looking.
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
(Post 2869042)
I am one of the first to correct people for errors like that, but I will also include what I think of the intent. Just correcting like that doesn't help.
Also totally agree with Excargodog Plane Coffee |
Originally Posted by galleycafe
(Post 2869081)
You're a better person than me. I'm not interested in helping.
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Originally Posted by galleycafe
(Post 2869030)
Endorse
Plane Coffee Indorse Definitions WordNet 3.6 v indorse sign as evidence of legal transfer "endorse cheques" v indorse guarantee as meeting a certain standard "certified grade AAA meat" v indorse be behind; approve of "He plumped for the Labor Party","I backed Kennedy in 1960" v indorse give support or one's approval to "I'll second that motion","I can't back this plan","endorse a new project" *** Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary Indorse To cover the back of; to load or burden. "Elephants indorsed with towers." Indorse To give one's name or support to; to sanction; to aid by approval; to approve; as, to indorse an opinion. Indorse (Law & Com) To write one's name, alone or with other words, upon the back of (a paper), for the purpose of transferring it, or to secure the payment of a note, draft, or the like; to guarantee the payment, fulfillment, performance, or validity of, or to certify something upon the back of (a check, draft, writ, warrant of arrest, etc.). Indorse To write upon the back or outside of a paper or letter, as a direction, heading, memorandum, or address. *** Century Dictionary and Cyclopedia indorse To place something on the back of; burden; load. indorse To write one's name, or some brief remark, statement, or memorandum, on the back of (a paper or document), as in assigning, or guaranteeing the payment of, a note or bill of exchange, or in briefing or docketing legal papers, invoices, etc.: as, the bill was indorsed to the bank; he was looking for a friend to indorse his note; a letter indorsed “London, 1868”: loosely used of writing added upon any part of a document. indorse To sanction; ratify; approve: as, to indorse a statement or the opinions of another. indorse In heraldry, to place back to back. n indorse In heraldry, a bearing like the pale, but of one fourth its width. It may be borne in any part of the field, and is commonly charged one indorse on each side of the pale. It is often considered a subordinary Now putting all that grammar and etymology stuff behind us, do you or do you not approve of holding first year pay down as a tactic to decrease the number and quality of applicants as a technique to extort more money from the company for the senior guys? Seems pretty d@mn chicken$hit to me personally, but YMMV I suppose. |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 2869117)
Want more?? There are several hundred other dictionaries that say the same. Granted, it’s more common in English English than American English but there is nothing erroneous about the usage.
Now putting all that grammar and etymology stuff behind us, do you or do you not approve of holding first year pay down as a tactic to decrease the number and quality of applicants as a technique to extort more money from the company for the senior guys? Seems pretty d@mn chicken$hit to me personally, but YMMV I suppose. If only I could kick the virtual soap box out from beneath you, that would be excellent. You’re Compass Airlines, correct, a few years there? I could wax poetic about regional wages and the scam of that sector as it relates to pay and parity. |
Originally Posted by symbian simian
(Post 2869093)
Hey, at least "you're"
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 2869117)
Want more?? There are several hundred other dictionaries that say the same. Granted, it’s more common in English English than American English but there is nothing erroneous about the usage.
Now putting all that grammar and etymology stuff behind us, do you or do you not approve of holding first year pay down as a tactic to decrease the number and quality of applicants as a technique to extort more money from the company for the senior guys? Seems pretty d@mn chicken$hit to me personally, but YMMV I suppose. Grammar.com : While indorsement and endorsement are both nouns, they refer to different concepts. An endorsement is a public indication of approval or support. An indorsement is a legal signature on some financial documents, like checks. Indorsement is used in American English, but only rarely. Get comfy at...Compass, is it? Plane Coffee |
Originally Posted by galleycafe
(Post 2869155)
Wow, dude.
Grammar.com : While indorsement and endorsement are both nouns, they refer to different concepts. An endorsement is a public indication of approval or support. An indorsement is a legal signature on some financial documents, like checks. Indorsement is used in American English, but only rarely. Get comfy at...Compass, is it? Plane Coffee |
Originally Posted by symbian simian
(Post 2869078)
Totally agree, also, try spelling like one. (your =/= you're)
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Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator
(Post 2869255)
Cool story bro, maybe you shoulda been an English teacher instead of a pilot.
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Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger
(Post 2869256)
yeah, plus they make more than spirit new hires! Too soon?
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Originally Posted by galleycafe
(Post 2869155)
Wow, dude.
Grammar.com : While indorsement and endorsement are both nouns, they refer to different concepts. An endorsement is a public indication of approval or support. An indorsement is a legal signature on some financial documents, like checks. Indorsement is used in American English, but only rarely. Get comfy at...Compass, is it? Plane Coffee *** Indorse: Etymology Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary LL. indorsare,. See Endorse Usage In literature: Indorsed on the note was the idea, and our hero had often passed that expression through his mind. "Now or Never" by Oliver Optic Many physicians and surgeons, who are supposed to be trained in scientific methods of thought, will indorse what she says. "Applied Eugenics" by Paul Popenoe and Roswell Hill Johnson The world has indorsed his great popularity with the heart, as much as with the brain. "The Atlantic Monthly, Volume 13, No. 80, June, 1864" by Various I want your check, indorsed by David. "The Continental Monthly, Vol. 2, No. 2, August, 1862" by Various Giddings, Joshua R., his position on power of Congress over slavery not indorsed by Adams, 263. "John Quincy Adams" by John. T. Morse You should indorse every check you deposit, even though it be payable to bearer. "The Handy Cyclopedia of Things Worth Knowing" by Joseph Triemens The band is playing "Yankee Doodle," and the boys break into an occasional cheer by way of indorsement. "The Citizen-Soldier" by John Beatty If Mabel knew, she would be the first one to indorse what I have just said. "Grace Harlowe's Third Year at Overton College" by Jessie Graham Flower Do not indorse wrong end up; the top of the back is the left end of the face. "Up To Date Business" by Various You surely will indorse that, Miss Warne, as far as you are concerned? "Under the Country Sky" by Grace S. Richmond Here is a program for the coming generation which would be indorsed by a very large part of the democrats of the past. "Socialism As It Is" by William English Walling As his final act Colonel Cook, the chairman of the standing committee of sixty, indorsed the resolution adopted. "Albert Gallatin" by John Austin Stevens This is the great stumbling-block in our way to the indorsement of Mr. Moody and such men. "Autobiography of Frank G. Allen, Minister of the Gospel" by Frank G. Allen Reedy indorsed Jim Crill's check, and stuck it in his vest pocket. "The Desert Fiddler" by William H. Hamby We can't sell them without the owner's indorsement. "Rufus and Rose" by Horatio Alger, Jr Without chance of national success, this ticket was received with strong expression of indorsement. "Robert Toombs" by Pleasant A. Stovall Indorsement of essay, 298. "English: Composition and Literature" by W. F. (William Franklin) Webster This view is now indorsed by some of the most prominent abolitionists. "Cotton is King and The Pro-Slavery Arguments" by Various By violating the rights of property, it has indorsed the worst doctrines of Socialism. "Pilgrimage from the Alps to the Tiber" by James Aitken Wylie It is as harmless as water, and has been indorsed by the most scientific men of the day. "Harper's Young People, January 13, 1880" ..... But all that cr@pola aside, do you or do you not indorse (or endorse) using the idea of keeping first year wages low to decrease the quality of applicants as a way of extorting higher wages for the more senior people? THAT was the question. |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 2869269)
Do a little research yourself. Indorse us a totally acceptable alternative spelling derived from the original Latin. Hope you are a better pilot than you are a Grammarian.
*** Indorse: Etymology Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary LL. indorsare,. See Endorse Usage In literature: Indorsed on the note was the idea, and our hero had often passed that expression through his mind. "Now or Never" by Oliver Optic Many physicians and surgeons, who are supposed to be trained in scientific methods of thought, will indorse what she says. "Applied Eugenics" by Paul Popenoe and Roswell Hill Johnson The world has indorsed his great popularity with the heart, as much as with the brain. "The Atlantic Monthly, Volume 13, No. 80, June, 1864" by Various I want your check, indorsed by David. "The Continental Monthly, Vol. 2, No. 2, August, 1862" by Various Giddings, Joshua R., his position on power of Congress over slavery not indorsed by Adams, 263. "John Quincy Adams" by John. T. Morse You should indorse every check you deposit, even though it be payable to bearer. "The Handy Cyclopedia of Things Worth Knowing" by Joseph Triemens The band is playing "Yankee Doodle," and the boys break into an occasional cheer by way of indorsement. "The Citizen-Soldier" by John Beatty If Mabel knew, she would be the first one to indorse what I have just said. "Grace Harlowe's Third Year at Overton College" by Jessie Graham Flower Do not indorse wrong end up; the top of the back is the left end of the face. "Up To Date Business" by Various You surely will indorse that, Miss Warne, as far as you are concerned? "Under the Country Sky" by Grace S. Richmond Here is a program for the coming generation which would be indorsed by a very large part of the democrats of the past. "Socialism As It Is" by William English Walling As his final act Colonel Cook, the chairman of the standing committee of sixty, indorsed the resolution adopted. "Albert Gallatin" by John Austin Stevens This is the great stumbling-block in our way to the indorsement of Mr. Moody and such men. "Autobiography of Frank G. Allen, Minister of the Gospel" by Frank G. Allen Reedy indorsed Jim Crill's check, and stuck it in his vest pocket. "The Desert Fiddler" by William H. Hamby We can't sell them without the owner's indorsement. "Rufus and Rose" by Horatio Alger, Jr Without chance of national success, this ticket was received with strong expression of indorsement. "Robert Toombs" by Pleasant A. Stovall Indorsement of essay, 298. "English: Composition and Literature" by W. F. (William Franklin) Webster This view is now indorsed by some of the most prominent abolitionists. "Cotton is King and The Pro-Slavery Arguments" by Various By violating the rights of property, it has indorsed the worst doctrines of Socialism. "Pilgrimage from the Alps to the Tiber" by James Aitken Wylie It is as harmless as water, and has been indorsed by the most scientific men of the day. "Harper's Young People, January 13, 1880" ..... But all that cr@pola aside, do you or do you not indorse (or endorse) using the idea of keeping first year wages low to decrease the quality of applicants as a way of extorting higher wages for the more senior people? THAT was the question. Could you even imagine flying with this guy? What a pain in the rear he would be. You're not angry at us, you are angry at Delta for ending the flying with Compass...its not your fault.....its not your fault... (well maybe it is) |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 2869269)
SNIP a bunch of superfluous nonsense [/B]
I work here and I am keeping quiet because I’m new and I’ve been around the block long enough to know when you’re new, listen more than you speak. You’re not even new, bro. Give it a rest |
Originally Posted by Omniscient
(Post 2869272)
So this ^^^^^^ is the "better qualified" candidate we would get with higher first year pay?
Could you even imagine flying with this guy? What a pain in the rear he would be. You're not angry at us, you are angry at Delta for ending the flying with Compass...its not your fault.....its not your fault... (well maybe it is) https://i.imgflip.com/37vlka.jpg |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 2869269)
Do a little research yourself. Indorse us a totally acceptable alternative spelling derived from the original Latin. Hope you are a better pilot than you are a Grammarian.
*** Indorse: Etymology Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary LL. indorsare,. See Endorse Usage In literature: Indorsed on the note was the idea, and our hero had often passed that expression through his mind. "Now or Never" by Oliver Optic Many physicians and surgeons, who are supposed to be trained in scientific methods of thought, will indorse what she says. "Applied Eugenics" by Paul Popenoe and Roswell Hill Johnson The world has indorsed his great popularity with the heart, as much as with the brain. "The Atlantic Monthly, Volume 13, No. 80, June, 1864" by Various I want your check, indorsed by David. "The Continental Monthly, Vol. 2, No. 2, August, 1862" by Various Giddings, Joshua R., his position on power of Congress over slavery not indorsed by Adams, 263. "John Quincy Adams" by John. T. Morse You should indorse every check you deposit, even though it be payable to bearer. "The Handy Cyclopedia of Things Worth Knowing" by Joseph Triemens The band is playing "Yankee Doodle," and the boys break into an occasional cheer by way of indorsement. "The Citizen-Soldier" by John Beatty If Mabel knew, she would be the first one to indorse what I have just said. "Grace Harlowe's Third Year at Overton College" by Jessie Graham Flower Do not indorse wrong end up; the top of the back is the left end of the face. "Up To Date Business" by Various You surely will indorse that, Miss Warne, as far as you are concerned? "Under the Country Sky" by Grace S. Richmond Here is a program for the coming generation which would be indorsed by a very large part of the democrats of the past. "Socialism As It Is" by William English Walling As his final act Colonel Cook, the chairman of the standing committee of sixty, indorsed the resolution adopted. "Albert Gallatin" by John Austin Stevens This is the great stumbling-block in our way to the indorsement of Mr. Moody and such men. "Autobiography of Frank G. Allen, Minister of the Gospel" by Frank G. Allen Reedy indorsed Jim Crill's check, and stuck it in his vest pocket. "The Desert Fiddler" by William H. Hamby We can't sell them without the owner's indorsement. "Rufus and Rose" by Horatio Alger, Jr Without chance of national success, this ticket was received with strong expression of indorsement. "Robert Toombs" by Pleasant A. Stovall Indorsement of essay, 298. "English: Composition and Literature" by W. F. (William Franklin) Webster This view is now indorsed by some of the most prominent abolitionists. "Cotton is King and The Pro-Slavery Arguments" by Various By violating the rights of property, it has indorsed the worst doctrines of Socialism. "Pilgrimage from the Alps to the Tiber" by James Aitken Wylie It is as harmless as water, and has been indorsed by the most scientific men of the day. "Harper's Young People, January 13, 1880" ..... But all that cr@pola aside, do you or do you not indorse (or endorse) using the idea of keeping first year wages low to decrease the quality of applicants as a way of extorting higher wages for the more senior people? THAT was the question. I want to keep first year pay at a rate that keeps you off property. Plane Coffee |
Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator
(Post 2869068)
While your at it if you want to get paid like a legacy try dressing like one. Saw a guy in FLL with ridiculously faded light blue casual style pants and a Walmart blue tie. Was absolutely hideous looking.
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Originally Posted by GrumpyCaptain
(Post 2868984)
$57 puts your in the 78th percentile of income in the us.
If you don’t like it here, leave. It’s a great country we live in. Go be a 777 pilot, a stock broker or a real estate agent or what ever floats your boat. You can even go float boats! If you are here, enjoy it! Life is too short to be miserable. Also, I vote yes to change our NC. |
Originally Posted by skigambia
(Post 2868881)
If it's that easy, we need you as our CNC chairman. I think you'll find that you can't just walk in, say "Industry Standard" and walk out with a TA.
We had too many that just couldn’t see past their signing bonus and the fact that delta pilots are getting those checks every year not every 8. Listen I make a good bit more under this CBA but the facts above remain. And facts are facts. The other fact is I’m about two months away from not bidding rsv on purpose anymore because there is absolutely no way to guarantee which rap you’re going to get even if you are the most senior bidder on rsv. It’s a joke. I never dropped or checker-boarded in the last contract but this system is absolute nonsense. And NO, rsv isn’t supposed to suck and and it’s not necessarily supposed to be junior. If an airline stagnates folks could be on rsv indefinitely unwillingly. At many airlines and also with a lot of widebody categories rsv travels far up the seniority list because it’s preferable. Now some guy that is artificially getting a line because myself and many others are bidding rsv is about to unwillingly end up on rsv when we return to lines bc this system is abysmal for rsv. You can’t even use your vacation as float like everyone else. |
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
(Post 2869301)
We don’t and shouldn’t compare ourselves to the rest of the country but to airline pilots. We are trying to attract quality pilots not real estate agents. $57 with no healthcare gets you guys that may or may not be good pilots but it gets you a good amount of pilots that content with the low compensation and likely to vote for another substandard contract.
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Originally Posted by sioux8ships
(Post 2869038)
Wow, so nice to see guys getting fired up about the contract and negotiations! Hope to see y’all out there when we’re picketing in 2025!
Fact of the matter is we got what we deserved! Unity and event attendance was abysmal! Most apathetic bunch of pilots out there! A recall should’ve taken place as soon as the TRO hit. We lost all our leverage after that! Not only did we sell first year guys down the road, we also sold current and future reserve guys down the road! Bendo played us perfectly! Hats off to him! SWA, JETBLUE... all had guys pulling and fighting in the same direction! Event participation was off the charts! But hey, we got 40 guys out of 300 to show up at a picket event and guys that couldn’t put on a freaking lanyard! |
I tell ya hwat, when the Delta thread went off the rails, they were at least talking about cars.
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Originally Posted by BeechedJet
(Post 2869310)
I tell ya hwat, when the Delta thread went off the rails, they were at least talking about cars.
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Originally Posted by AllOva736
(Post 2869307)
Yeah because everyone measures their career off of first year pay and 3 months without insurance. We have a ton of work to do here but your crybaby nonstop garbage gets old. I recently met a HAL 330 FO who said leaving Spirit was a massive mistake so it can’t be all doom and gloom here as you would love to say it is.
Further I never said it’s all doom and gloom. I like working here for the most part and if I didn’t I would have tried harder to get hired elsewhere and tried harder to convince my wife to want to move. I got hired at a good time seniority wise as well. Folks hired today don’t really have that advantage so we have to attract them with better compensation through the pay scale and we don’t. Most frustrating is that a lot of guys on the seniority list don’t even know our shortcomings in the CBA compared to others. Even some of our guys at the top of the pay scale don’t know they are $40+ under paid. The don’t give a shout attitude is a bit frustrating and sounding worse on the radio than Mesa is embarrassing. |
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
(Post 2869317)
We don’t measure our careers off first year but it sure affects who we get when you want 60+ a month with little attrition. Not giving people insurance is just dickish and says a lot about Spirit feels about employees.
Further I never said it’s all doom and gloom. I like working here for the most part and if I didn’t I would have tried harder to get hired elsewhere and tried harder to convince my wife to want to move. I got hired at a good time seniority wise as well. Folks hired today don’t really have that advantage so we have to attract them with better compensation through the pay scale and we don’t. Most frustrating is that a lot of guys on the seniority list don’t even know our shortcomings in the CBA compared to others. Even some of our guys at the top of the pay scale don’t know they are under paid. The don’t give a shout attitude is a bit frustrating and sounding worse on the radio than Mesa is embarrassing. |
Originally Posted by AllOva736
(Post 2869323)
We sound worse on the radio than Mesa? What does that even mean? Yes we are under paid, everyone here should know that but what are our shortcomings when compared to other CBA’s? Beyond pay and having to work towards our max of only 15% DC? Feel free to split hairs but I’m happy here even though we still have a lot of work to do in the future...
We are underpaid and not everyone does know that. Shortcomings: no healthcare for new hires. Duty period instead of calendar day, no red eye override, no retirement on LTD, offset of other income while on LTD making it pointless to go get a new career. 5+++ year term, no profit sharing, SCOPE, rsv unstacking. |
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Originally Posted by galleycafe
(Post 2869288)
You talk a lot. You don't say anything.
I want to keep first year pay at a rate that keeps you off property. Plane Coffee True, maybe yes maybe no, and true, BUT ALL UNRELATED. The question was: Do you think it is appropriate to decrease the quality and number of applicants by paying them substandard pay in an attempt to hold the management hostage to paying everyone else more? For extra credit: Do you believe such a policy will build unity within the pilot group? Whether you like me or dislike me or prefer ‘endorse’ To ‘indorse’ or believe I’m a grammatical idiot isn’t the point and never was. The issue is - basically - the appropriateness of screwing over the newbies, the quality of the new hires, operational safety, the careers of under qualified rookies who may take a PRIA hit, and pilot group unity by holding them hostage for more money for you. Inquiring minds want to know. Just a yes or no to those two questions. Certainly you are capable of telling everyone that. |
Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator
(Post 2869255)
Cool story bro, maybe you shoulda been an English teacher instead of a pilot.
FWIW, I agree about the outfit, and if not on first year pay, I will talk to them too. |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 2869341)
True, maybe yes maybe no, and true, BUT ALL UNRELATED.
The question was: Do you think it is appropriate to decrease the quality and number of applicants by paying them substandard pay in an attempt to hold the management hostage to paying everyone else more? For extra credit: Do you believe such a policy will build unity within the pilot group? Whether you like me or dislike me or prefer ‘endorse’ To ‘indorse’ or believe I’m a grammatical idiot isn’t the point and never was. The issue is - basically - the appropriateness of screwing over the newbies, the quality of the new hires, operational safety, the careers of under qualified rookies who may take a PRIA hit, and pilot group unity by holding them hostage for more money for you. Inquiring minds want to know. Just a yes or no to those two questions. Certainly you are capable of telling everyone that. Plane Coffee |
Originally Posted by galleycafe
(Post 2869350)
Please ask all these questions again, this time in all caps. I don't understand them unless you're yelling at me.
Plane Coffee Avarice at the expense of your juniors is so tacky. |
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