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#42
I said suck it up if they are odd. And some of the pilots I’ve been told are on that list are just that. It’s their only infraction. Weird pilots shouldn’t be on the same list as dangerous pilots or major A holes and that’s what I was getting at.
And when I say A holes I don’t mean someone that shares a technique or counsels you about following SOP.
And when I say A holes I don’t mean someone that shares a technique or counsels you about following SOP.
#44
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Guys in the list at my old airline. They were terrifying to fly with and their personality made you want to punch them or cry.
Not sure the guys “on the list” at spirit are truly that bad? Just not as awesome as the other 99% maybe. I personally never put someone on my no fly list. I would even assume these listers aren’t on many no fly lists either.
Not sure the guys “on the list” at spirit are truly that bad? Just not as awesome as the other 99% maybe. I personally never put someone on my no fly list. I would even assume these listers aren’t on many no fly lists either.
#45
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#46
There are multiple lists. I've seen screenshots of at least 3. I suspect these are mostly personal lists that someone has shared with a friend, who shared with another pilot, who shared to a chat somewhere...and now they've gone "viral". Having seen a few different lists, I can tell you one thing; almost all the names are the same. This isn't a coincidence.
Wanna see the "list"? Just go into FLICA and look at the FO open time. You'll see lots of sweet trips with the same names always attached to them. Almost every time I see a decent trip in DOT, I know why it's there. A quick click and check of the CA and I'd say 90% of the time my suspicions are confirmed.
I know the names, and I always give these pilots a chance; not once have I added someone to my no fly without actually flying with them. That being said, I've never been given bad info either...it's been my experience most of the warnings from others were valid.
Here's a novel idea...if your name is appearing on lists, you're always flying with RSV FO's, and pro-standards has talked to you 10 times...maybe stop being a **** to fly with. List or no list, FO's know who you are. Problem is I suspect most of these people don't care. As a matter of fact, I've literally had a few of these pilots tell me that FO's don't like them while we were on a trip.
All that being said, it's important to state that those pilots are in an extreme minority here. With the exception of a few bad apples, this is the best group of pilots I've ever had the pleasure of flying with. Hopefully Pro Standards starts taking more aggressive action on the names that keep coming across their desk over and over... until then, people talk.
Wanna see the "list"? Just go into FLICA and look at the FO open time. You'll see lots of sweet trips with the same names always attached to them. Almost every time I see a decent trip in DOT, I know why it's there. A quick click and check of the CA and I'd say 90% of the time my suspicions are confirmed.
I know the names, and I always give these pilots a chance; not once have I added someone to my no fly without actually flying with them. That being said, I've never been given bad info either...it's been my experience most of the warnings from others were valid.
Here's a novel idea...if your name is appearing on lists, you're always flying with RSV FO's, and pro-standards has talked to you 10 times...maybe stop being a **** to fly with. List or no list, FO's know who you are. Problem is I suspect most of these people don't care. As a matter of fact, I've literally had a few of these pilots tell me that FO's don't like them while we were on a trip.

All that being said, it's important to state that those pilots are in an extreme minority here. With the exception of a few bad apples, this is the best group of pilots I've ever had the pleasure of flying with. Hopefully Pro Standards starts taking more aggressive action on the names that keep coming across their desk over and over... until then, people talk.
#47
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Or folks could put their big boy pants on. It’s work not a sorority. Are the folks making these lists the same ones that got their parents to talk to the principal and have their class changed bc the teacher was mean.
I’m not saying certain captains can’t conduct themselves better but life is full of bad teachers, horrible bosses, and annoying coworkers. You suck it up. At least that’s what I was taught and I’m a millennial.
I’m not saying certain captains can’t conduct themselves better but life is full of bad teachers, horrible bosses, and annoying coworkers. You suck it up. At least that’s what I was taught and I’m a millennial.
There is zero reason to be an ******* in this job. If you cant offer constructive criticism or guidance without being a douche, that is a you problem, not a we problem. Go learn how to properly interact with your fellow employees.
If you are offended that a list exists, you may very well be the type that is on it. Hell, if I knew I was on said list, I would work damn hard on myself to figure out how I can improve my social skills, that's what "putting on your big boy pants is all about".
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Who gives a S.....
It’s not a captains job to be liked. In fact, before this “feelings” revolution it was actually expected (and taught) Captains would “be friendly, but not familiar”.
I’ve been in flight decks now where the other guy expects me to act like his fraternity brother. That we are there to “have fun”. Well, I don’t agree with that. Just imagine some of these CVR’s playing on a 24 hr news loop. What would your families say?
Some of you younger guys will be captains soon enough. Then you’ll have to balance being friendly and hurting someones feelings because what they did was not SOP or professional. We can enjoy ourselves and keep the job safe. But I’m not there to be your friend.
It’s not a captains job to be liked. In fact, before this “feelings” revolution it was actually expected (and taught) Captains would “be friendly, but not familiar”.
I’ve been in flight decks now where the other guy expects me to act like his fraternity brother. That we are there to “have fun”. Well, I don’t agree with that. Just imagine some of these CVR’s playing on a 24 hr news loop. What would your families say?
Some of you younger guys will be captains soon enough. Then you’ll have to balance being friendly and hurting someones feelings because what they did was not SOP or professional. We can enjoy ourselves and keep the job safe. But I’m not there to be your friend.
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Who gives a S.....
It’s not a captains job to be liked. In fact, before this “feelings” revolution it was actually expected (and taught) Captains would “be friendly, but not familiar”.
I’ve been in flight decks now where the other guy expects me to act like his fraternity brother. That we are there to “have fun”. Well, I don’t agree with that. Just imagine some of these CVR’s playing on a 24 hr news loop. What would your families say?
Some of you younger guys will be captains soon enough. Then you’ll have to balance being friendly and hurting someones feelings because what they did was not SOP or professional. We can enjoy ourselves and keep the job safe. But I’m not there to be your friend.
It’s not a captains job to be liked. In fact, before this “feelings” revolution it was actually expected (and taught) Captains would “be friendly, but not familiar”.
I’ve been in flight decks now where the other guy expects me to act like his fraternity brother. That we are there to “have fun”. Well, I don’t agree with that. Just imagine some of these CVR’s playing on a 24 hr news loop. What would your families say?
Some of you younger guys will be captains soon enough. Then you’ll have to balance being friendly and hurting someones feelings because what they did was not SOP or professional. We can enjoy ourselves and keep the job safe. But I’m not there to be your friend.


