Read section 9.G.2.a-k. Read it carefully

 

Are these pairings not already held out of the main pairing packet? This is how it’s always been and the pairings weren’t built onto the regular lines. Are they now in the PBS bid and you don’t get them because they were awarded to training in your results?

 

You don’t understand, the trips are being Cherry Picked from Check Airmen, they are building themselves their own schedules.

Back in the day, Jyri was about to get a lot of check airmen resigning because the trips were “horrable”.

So Jyri, told the training scheduler to let the “Check Airmen pick their own schedules”. So now you have junior guys giving themselves senior schedules that they wouldn’t be able to hold.

Ask the LEC 77 CA REP, he can confirm it and give more info.

 

1) Airing this laundry in a public forum shows a lack of dignity and character.

2) As a former training department member, I can say first-hand that this is NOT how the change in schedule builds went about in 2013.

 

1. It may, however the practices in play now show the same thing, lack of dignity and character!!

2. Whatever change was put forth reverts back to my first statement!!

 

So maybe you should consider not speaking about things you know nothing about? Just a thought.

 

At least your base still has turns. MCO and FLL farmed out most of the turns to crews from other domiciles. Makes zero sense.

 

Why don't you run for MEC again then? Do us another bang up job like you did before.

 

The company can withhold an additional 3% of scheduled flying for IOE/OE 25.B.1. It doesn’t say what type of trips.

So I’ll ask again. Is the flying not being withheld before the navblue pbs bid and your trips are being denied in your bid because they are going to training, or do the trips not exist in the navblue pairing packet because they were withheld for training?

If they were withheld prior to navblue it’s completely legal per the contract and is not new. The company can withhold whatever 5% and another 3% of flying for IOE/OE that they want. This is so that the check airman don’t bid regular lines and then the company has to buy the FO off everyone of their trips. Sure would be nice but that is something we never had here at Spirit at least since I’ve been here.

If you want to stipulate what type of flying the company can withhold in their 5+3% withholding then we need to negotiate that because it’s certainly not in the language now.

I feel the pain and I’ve always thought check airmen should bid in the regular bid and FOs get bought off to add the pilot doing IOE/OE. Put that in the bucket of priorities that’s filling up quick. I’m all for complaining but you sound like you are complaining about something happening that isn’t legal which to my knowledge isn’t the case but I could be wrong.

 

Check airman should bid like all other captains. The trips that they can hold by regular seniority get pulled from the FO trip pool like they do for the no-fly list trips.
Yeah, getting the trips bought from the FO would be great, but this at least solves the seniority bypass on the captain side, without messing up the FO side extra.
Yes, I know, it's not in the contract, but I can dream can't I?