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04-09-2020 | 06:25 AM
#221
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04-09-2020 | 07:29 AM
#224
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You are literally ignorant on how a single payer healthcare system works. You are just regurgitating the talking points you hear on some conservative media source which most likely originates from some healthcare lobbyist.
Ok.. so lets take your example of our outrageously litigious society. First of all, its not just citizens who sue a hospital or doctor for malpractice, lawsuits have become part of the fabric of our modern society, in ALL facets of our life. You are talking about increasing regulation (liberal ideal) on the legal system. But you are wrong in that being the primary contributor to increasing healthcare cost. The primary issue is uninsured patients. Whether you believe it or not, your healthcare premiums go up year to year to year to year to year because people are using the system who are not insured. But you probably already knew that. Some doctors malpractice insurance isn't the reason. YOU are footing the bill for the uninsured. And here's another news flash. Its NOT immigrants that are the primary source of uninsured. Low income white Americans are the leader of uninsured in our country.
So to recap. YOU are ALREADY paying for other people to use the medical system in the US. Almost every single industrialized country on planet earth, with the exception of the US, offers some form either partly or in whole government subsidized healthcare. The reason is ...... and get this point..... because its super important... there is almost NO WAY to provide healthcare to any nation where you cover people AND keep your cost down under a primarily privatized, for profit system. Proof? Every other country offers this because it can't be done. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Your premiums go up every year because hospitals increase their cost on procedures to cover the uninsured. Blue Cross or whoever you use will simply in crease your premiums with plenty of margin for their profits.
Here's the best part. Single payer is MUCH BETTER for our economy. The second biggest expense on a company's balance sheet for employees next to payroll is healthcare/benefits. If you REMOVE that, a private company like Spirit has a whole lot of extra money to invest in both the company and you. Secondly, you no longer pay that premium, your taxes go up proportionately to your income at rates that will have to be settled upon. The 45% tax rate is bull. The only reason the far right are scaring people in this country from having an increase in taxes to pay for healthcare, which is substantially less expensive on the US budget anyway, is because tax brackets would have to be adjusted. And that would be a direct assault on the decades long campaign of bs of supply side economics. The NET savings to the vast vast majority of Americans would be less out of their paychecks than we pay now with private healthcare premiums.
https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/201...inglepayer.pdf
Ok.. so lets take your example of our outrageously litigious society. First of all, its not just citizens who sue a hospital or doctor for malpractice, lawsuits have become part of the fabric of our modern society, in ALL facets of our life. You are talking about increasing regulation (liberal ideal) on the legal system. But you are wrong in that being the primary contributor to increasing healthcare cost. The primary issue is uninsured patients. Whether you believe it or not, your healthcare premiums go up year to year to year to year to year because people are using the system who are not insured. But you probably already knew that. Some doctors malpractice insurance isn't the reason. YOU are footing the bill for the uninsured. And here's another news flash. Its NOT immigrants that are the primary source of uninsured. Low income white Americans are the leader of uninsured in our country.
So to recap. YOU are ALREADY paying for other people to use the medical system in the US. Almost every single industrialized country on planet earth, with the exception of the US, offers some form either partly or in whole government subsidized healthcare. The reason is ...... and get this point..... because its super important... there is almost NO WAY to provide healthcare to any nation where you cover people AND keep your cost down under a primarily privatized, for profit system. Proof? Every other country offers this because it can't be done. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Your premiums go up every year because hospitals increase their cost on procedures to cover the uninsured. Blue Cross or whoever you use will simply in crease your premiums with plenty of margin for their profits.
Here's the best part. Single payer is MUCH BETTER for our economy. The second biggest expense on a company's balance sheet for employees next to payroll is healthcare/benefits. If you REMOVE that, a private company like Spirit has a whole lot of extra money to invest in both the company and you. Secondly, you no longer pay that premium, your taxes go up proportionately to your income at rates that will have to be settled upon. The 45% tax rate is bull. The only reason the far right are scaring people in this country from having an increase in taxes to pay for healthcare, which is substantially less expensive on the US budget anyway, is because tax brackets would have to be adjusted. And that would be a direct assault on the decades long campaign of bs of supply side economics. The NET savings to the vast vast majority of Americans would be less out of their paychecks than we pay now with private healthcare premiums.
https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/201...inglepayer.pdf
1) You mention by going to single payer system companies will have more money to invest in the business, employees, etc. This I will say is very naive, especially with our very strong US tradition of corporate greed, buy backs, dividends, etc.
2) The CBO being a non partisan entity. Also extremely naive. It may be on paper, but every administration exerts influence to generate the numbers they want to see.
I admit I don’t have enough knowledge of how a single payer system would work or be set up, but I do believe some of your statements are very naive, and also believe the US government is not nearly as efficient as a private enterprise. So while a business might be making “lots of profits”, a lot of money is also being wasted by a government operation, many are taking advantage of the system, lots of corruption, power plays, pork belly in our government health system, etc. And the doctor who just trained, went to school for 10 years, probably has a couple hundred thousand dollars in debt, I definitely don’t think they will want to work for $100-$200k/yr.
Not dismissing the single payer system or what you state saying the privately insured are paying the costs of the uninsured (I believe this is mostly true), but I do think you have your mind made up and just by purely reading your words (could be wrong), you are blinded by one side.
The day we can shift the majority of Americans to the middle, independent thinkers, who for example value good quality health care but also understand the need for every citizen to have access to it, in one form or another.... those that understand that renewable energy is the only path forward but their needs to be a short/medium/long term plan to transition us from today’s fossil fuels without breaking our economy and hurting our workers... etc, etc, is the day America will truly be great again and unstoppable.
04-09-2020 | 07:38 AM
#225
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I know this question is hard and I know it will just be someones opinion but would you guys leave your secure regional position right now for a job at spirit? Just looking for opinions. It is a difficult decision to make.
04-09-2020 | 07:50 AM
#226
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Unless you currently have a class date, the question is irrelevant. Leaving a secure job right now takes massive balls. I don't even have big enough balls to advise you, but I wish you and all of us good luck over the next 6 months to 2 years.
04-09-2020 | 08:04 AM
#227
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Im not at Spirit, but I think the likely thing that’ll happen as the virus spreads that would effect a new-hire is the training center being shut down temporarily. It’s already happened at a few airlines. If I were a new-hire at any airline, I would run the numbers on whether you can financially afford to be on training pay longer than anticipated. Each airline is different.
04-09-2020 | 09:00 AM
#229
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Im not at Spirit, but I think the likely thing that’ll happen as the virus spreads that would effect a new-hire is the training center being shut down temporarily. It’s already happened at a few airlines. If I were a new-hire at any airline, I would run the numbers on whether you can financially afford to be on training pay longer than anticipated. Each airline is different.
04-09-2020 | 09:16 AM
#230
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I guess a few questions. How secure is the regional job and what’s your seniority? More then half way up the list? Can you afford to be furloughed for a year or two if you come here? If it were me (and just my opinion) I would see if I could delay the class here and stay and ride this out at the regional, but again just my opinion. Also wait and see if we take the grant at least you know you wouldn’t be furloughed until October.
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