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HulkaBurger 04-29-2020 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by beverage (Post 3044839)
Indeed. There are some miraculous "same type rating" aircraft out there. Only way the max would end up with one is for optics.

"Optics" that would create an inordinate amount of work for the regulators and be cost prohibitive for the operators.

IOW, zero chance of that happening.

Scar09 05-21-2020 08:53 AM

Any news on training for those in the pool? When the next class may be and how many people will be in it 8?

Meep 05-21-2020 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by Scar09 (Post 3061202)
Any news on training for those in the pool? When the next class may be and how many people will be in it 8?

The company has no idea whether there will be furloughs in Oct, much less when the next training class will be.

articwenger 05-21-2020 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by Scar09 (Post 3061202)
Any news on training for those in the pool? When the next class may be and how many people will be in it 8?

They haven't even figured out how to bring me back from military leave, let alone start a new class. I get the fact that I'm coming back at a less than ideal time, but I wouldn't be surprised if they offered me an alternative job.

Halon1211 05-21-2020 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by articwenger (Post 3061272)
They haven't even figured out how to bring me back from military leave, let alone start a new class. I get the fact that I'm coming back at a less than ideal time, but I wouldn't be surprised if they offered me an alternative job.

are you good at serving beverages, dealing with customers, and complaining if a flight is 6 minutes longer than planned? If so, I found your alternative job.

king10pin02 05-21-2020 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by Scar09 (Post 3061202)
Any news on training for those in the pool? When the next class may be and how many people will be in it 8?

2021 or 2022...

Qotsaautopilot 05-21-2020 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by Scar09 (Post 3061202)
Any news on training for those in the pool? When the next class may be and how many people will be in it 8?

Cant tell if this is flame bait or naivety. Literally every airline is most likely going to furlough this fall. I like what I’m seeing around town and hope it will continue without mass fear when the inevitable spike in cases comes. However, even if we can get two thirds of the fleet flying this summer at near full loads that’s a long way off from hiring and will mean furloughs this fall almost certainly. New hire classes are at least a year or more off I’m afraid.

RemoveB4flght 05-22-2020 04:44 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 3061485)
Cant tell if this is flame bait or naivety. Literally every airline is most likely going to furlough this fall. I like what I’m seeing around town and hope it will continue without mass fear when the inevitable spike in cases comes. However, even if we can get two thirds of the fleet flying this summer at near full loads that’s a long way off from hiring and will mean furloughs this fall almost certainly. New hire classes are at least a year or more off I’m afraid.

If we have 2/3rds of the the fleet flying at near full loads by the end of the summer, that positive of a trend would definitely not indicate furloughs, and may even have us reconsider pushing deliveries.

We aren’t waiting out the economy, we are waiting out groupthink and mass psychology. Similar to that scene in the movie Jaws when everyone is on the beach afraid to go swimming until the first people decide to risk it.

I remember 2007 the big scare of toys, tools, personal products, etc. from Chy-na possibly having lead paint. That Xmas season was a disaster for retailers, and there was the big “Buy American” push. Been to Harbor Freight lately?

Consumer confidence is difficult to predict, but as soon as people see friends/family/neighbors on a cheap holiday without catching the ‘Rona the pendulum can start swinging the other way quick.

The next few weeks should give some insight as people start poking their heads out and the dreaded 2nd wave doesn’t materialize.

Halon1211 05-22-2020 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght (Post 3061669)
If we have 2/3rds of the the fleet flying at near full loads by the end of the summer, that positive of a trend would definitely not indicate furloughs, and may even have us reconsider pushing deliveries.

We aren’t waiting out the economy, we are waiting out groupthink and mass psychology. Similar to that scene in the movie Jaws when everyone is on the beach afraid to go swimming until the first people decide to risk it.

I remember 2007 the big scare of toys, tools, personal products, etc. from Chy-na possibly having lead paint. That Xmas season was a disaster for retailers, and there was the big “Buy American” push. Been to Harbor Freight lately?

Consumer confidence is difficult to predict, but as soon as people see friends/family/neighbors on a cheap holiday without catching the ‘Rona the pendulum can start swinging the other way quick.

The next few weeks should give some insight as people start poking their heads out and the dreaded 2nd wave doesn’t materialize.

i got my flight booked to paradise in the next couple of weeks. So I can tell my friends and family in I got the case of the ‘Rona or not.

CAirBear 05-22-2020 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght (Post 3061669)
If we have 2/3rds of the the fleet flying at near full loads by the end of the summer, that positive of a trend would definitely not indicate furloughs, and may even have us reconsider pushing deliveries.

We aren’t waiting out the economy, we are waiting out groupthink and mass psychology. Similar to that scene in the movie Jaws when everyone is on the beach afraid to go swimming until the first people decide to risk it.

I remember 2007 the big scare of toys, tools, personal products, etc. from Chy-na possibly having lead paint. That Xmas season was a disaster for retailers, and there was the big “Buy American” push. Been to Harbor Freight lately?

Consumer confidence is difficult to predict, but as soon as people see friends/family/neighbors on a cheap holiday without catching the ‘Rona the pendulum can start swinging the other way quick.

The next few weeks should give some insight as people start poking their heads out and the dreaded 2nd wave doesn’t materialize.

I completely agree. I feel like I’ve been one of the only few to tell everyone to “chill the F out” When things when to virtually 0. Same happened in China and it was coming back.

Now we are seeing very good signs here, this past week, and I don’t think it’s going to slow down.

The fact TC said we are adding flying in June that they didn’t even have on their radar 30 days ago tells you a hell of a lot about where things are headed.

318K screened yesterday. ORD is even busier this morning on my commute home then yesterday. Won’t be shocked at all to have it climb above 350k at some point this weekend.

Have friends at all of the Big 3. All are adding flying in June. AA is even taking some 73s back out if storage.

There’s talk of us doing 200-400 a day by July. That wouldn’t shock me in the slightest. I think July 4 - Labor Day is going to surprise a lot of the negative “the world is over along with our career” types.


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