Furloughs?
07-04-2020, 06:09 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by Mtnbikemike
No idea what JB did, but if it involves concessions, it’s a no go. Anytime a pilot group does that, it lowers the bar, takes years to get back if at all, doesn’t prevent what mgt is going to eventually do anyway. Besides that, mgt was never interested in profit sharing, low balled us on pay rates and 401k contributions, why should we as one of the lowest paid A320 operators be willing to bend? To save a few first year guys from a short furlough? Sorry, I know that sounds insensitive, but this is the way the industry works and if you have been around long enough, it comes with the territory. I’ve been there and many others have also. I certainly didn’t want anyone taking concessions to save my job.
07-04-2020, 06:24 AM
#42
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I also agree. They say seniority is everything, and this is why. We all had to pass through the low seniority danger zone at one point or another. Just another part of chasing golden carrots.
07-04-2020, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Mtnbikemike
No idea what JB did, but if it involves concessions, it’s a no go. Anytime a pilot group does that, it lowers the bar, takes years to get back if at all, doesn’t prevent what mgt is going to eventually do anyway. Besides that, mgt was never interested in profit sharing, low balled us on pay rates and 401k contributions, why should we as one of the lowest paid A320 operators be willing to bend? To save a few first year guys from a short furlough? Sorry, I know that sounds insensitive, but this is the way the industry works and if you have been around long enough, it comes with the territory. I’ve been there and many others have also. I certainly didn’t want anyone taking concessions to save my job.
07-04-2020, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Mtnbikemike
No idea what JB did, but if it involves concessions, it’s a no go. Anytime a pilot group does that, it lowers the bar, takes years to get back if at all, doesn’t prevent what mgt is going to eventually do anyway. Besides that, mgt was never interested in profit sharing, low balled us on pay rates and 401k contributions, why should we as one of the lowest paid A320 operators be willing to bend? To save a few first year guys from a short furlough? Sorry, I know that sounds insensitive, but this is the way the industry works and if you have been around long enough, it comes with the territory. I’ve been there and many others have also. I certainly didn’t want anyone taking concessions to save my job.
It’s highly likely JB will be among the few (maybe the only) pax carrier than won’t furlough thru the pandemic.Pilots will get back their original contract in May ‘21 and many families will spared.
07-04-2020, 06:47 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by doublebed
It’s a reduced average line value. Settle down
07-04-2020, 07:05 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by DrDHD
this post isn’t gonna age well bro - we can revisit in a few days when the bids are out
Originally Posted by senecacaptain
my understanding / belief was the LCC model was "more immune" to this than the Legacy model.
I wonder what is going on at Frontier, Sun Country, Jet Blue, Allegiant, etc (in regards to possible furloughs)
good luck guys
I wonder what is going on at Frontier, Sun Country, Jet Blue, Allegiant, etc (in regards to possible furloughs)
good luck guys
Originally Posted by Tranquility
Our international capacity was roughly 15%, which Id bet is higher than Allegiant, and Frontier. I have no idea about JetBlue...
If we have a greater exposure to that market than other LCCs/ULCCs, we will need to downsize more.
If we have a greater exposure to that market than other LCCs/ULCCs, we will need to downsize more.
07-04-2020, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by doublebed
It’s a reduced average line value. Settle down
Last edited by Mtnbikemike; 07-04-2020 at 08:52 AM.
07-04-2020, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Mtnbikemike
No idea what JB did, but if it involves concessions, it’s a no go. Anytime a pilot group does that, it lowers the bar, takes years to get back if at all, doesn’t prevent what mgt is going to eventually do anyway. Besides that, mgt was never interested in profit sharing, low balled us on pay rates and 401k contributions, why should we as one of the lowest paid A320 operators be willing to bend? To save a few first year guys from a short furlough? Sorry, I know that sounds insensitive, but this is the way the industry works and if you have been around long enough, it comes with the territory. I’ve been there and many others have also. I certainly didn’t want anyone taking concessions to save my job.
no. The answer is no. Send me home for a while but absolutely.... NO.
07-04-2020, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Mtnbikemike
Ok skippy, no need to get upset. That’s why I said I have no idea what JB negotiated. I just stated that I wasn’t willing to discuss concessions. Besides that, isn’t a reduced line value the same as taking a pay cut? Just calling it something different? Same thing could be achieved by reducing hourly pay and keeping line guarantee.
07-04-2020, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Mtnbikemike
Ok skippy, no need to get upset. That’s why I said I have no idea what JB negotiated. I just stated that I wasn’t willing to discuss concessions. Besides that, isn’t a reduced line value the same as taking a pay cut? Just calling it something different? Same thing could be achieved by reducing hourly pay and keeping line guarantee.
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