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06-03-2023, 09:45 AM
#701
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Joined APC: Sep 2022
Posts: 393
Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Nobody deserves a call to management. We handle our issues internally.
If you fly with someone who is weak to the point you think it’s dangerous, call ProStans. This isn’t anonymous and it shouldn’t be. Any CA shouldn’t have any issues letting an FO know they will be contacting ProStans if they feel there is an issue. Don’t be the guy who cowardly contacts a CP about something, we call that pulling a “Charlie”.
Personally I can’t trust most of the new guys I fly with, it’s not their fault, they just lack experience and Spirit has not done them any favors with our training. So for me, it’s hand on the takeover all the time on landing and a short leash on most everything. Sorry, but I just can’t trust the product our hiring team is producing. It’s one thing to need “time” in the plane, we all needed time to learn it. It’s another thing when guys are just in way over their head and basic radio calls are troublesome.
If you fly with someone who is weak to the point you think it’s dangerous, call ProStans. This isn’t anonymous and it shouldn’t be. Any CA shouldn’t have any issues letting an FO know they will be contacting ProStans if they feel there is an issue. Don’t be the guy who cowardly contacts a CP about something, we call that pulling a “Charlie”.
Personally I can’t trust most of the new guys I fly with, it’s not their fault, they just lack experience and Spirit has not done them any favors with our training. So for me, it’s hand on the takeover all the time on landing and a short leash on most everything. Sorry, but I just can’t trust the product our hiring team is producing. It’s one thing to need “time” in the plane, we all needed time to learn it. It’s another thing when guys are just in way over their head and basic radio calls are troublesome.
06-03-2023, 11:02 AM
#702
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,848
Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1
I call pro standards when there’s an act of unprofessionalism or a disagreement in the flight deck. For operational safety and legality concerns it absolutely warrants the companies involvement. That guy shouldn’t be flying. Not trusting an fo is one thing. Compromising your duties because you have to do theirs or double check everything they did is another
This FO could be weak, no doubt, but it could also be the interaction between the two of you. Shoot ProStans an email and ask them, whats the harm in that?
06-03-2023, 01:53 PM
#703
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Position: baller, shot caller
Posts: 964
Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1
I call pro standards when there’s an act of unprofessionalism or a disagreement in the flight deck. For operational safety and legality concerns it absolutely warrants the companies involvement. That guy shouldn’t be flying. Not trusting an fo is one thing. Compromising your duties because you have to do theirs or double check everything they did is another
06-03-2023, 04:31 PM
#705
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Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1
Ive already punched my ticket out so I won’t have to worry about that
I hate flying with weak FOs, we all do. However the only thing worse is flying with pilots who run to mommy and daddy the second things don’t go their way.
06-03-2023, 05:58 PM
#706
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
quick search….seeing he is going to Delta. Likes to contact management over pilots. Enjoy Delta.
I hate flying with weak FOs, we all do. However the only thing worse is flying with pilots who run to mommy and daddy the second things don’t go their way.
I hate flying with weak FOs, we all do. However the only thing worse is flying with pilots who run to mommy and daddy the second things don’t go their way.
06-03-2023, 08:04 PM
#707
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Posts: 1,275
Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1
that isn’t just unprofessional or a breakdown in communication. It’s directly a threat to the safety of flight if they act like that. They need to go back to training or be dismissed. Imo it warrants notifying the union but also the CP
you debrief/counsel them. Like I said, over a drink or food or something. Build them up, man up and speak plainly. Don’t pass it off.
06-03-2023, 08:06 PM
#708
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Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1
Ive already punched my ticket out so I won’t have to worry about that
06-04-2023, 08:17 AM
#710
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Posts: 770
Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1
I call pro standards when there’s an act of unprofessionalism or a disagreement in the flight deck. For operational safety and legality concerns it absolutely warrants the companies involvement. That guy shouldn’t be flying. Not trusting an fo is one thing. Compromising your duties because you have to do theirs or double check everything they did is another
I’ve flown with a lot of awfully green FOs over the past couple years, new to the bus, new to big jets, new to 121, new to flying above 3000 feet. I’ve had the same conversations over and over again. I’ve had a couple, I’ll call them ‘teachable moments’ when potentially flight critical mistakes were made but the error was trapped and a more serious discussion followed. While there have been a few with a subpar attitude, I haven’t flown with a single one who falls into the category of “the chief pilot needs to be called because that guy shouldn’t be flying”. The FO in question on this thread doesn’t deserve that either. That any pilot, especially one so new themselves, would so be so quick to jump right to endangering the career and maligning the reputation of someone they haven’t even met or flown with is disappointing.
What needs to return to Spirit hiring are the critical thinking and integrity questions that used to be in the panel interviews.
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