more importantly where are the two days. Still home every single day. Back to back two day trips or a Mon-Tues and thurs-fri

almost never any two day trips

Havana oooh-na-na.

hopefully one day we will resume service there.

Hog Holler TN.

Those who know, they know.

market was way over served and the yeilds were garbage

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...mp/ncna1269563

maybe Spirit will be the first ULCC to get these things.


so when United does it, we can take their passengers who want to go supersonic for cheap.

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https://www.airliners.net/forum/view...cf009&start=50

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these “experts” thinks we could announce SLC-DTW or SLC-Florida/Vegas soon.

Frontier is starting SLC-DFW/ORD this month...I wish that were us.

it will be..post merger

I wouldn’t mind a merger...as long as we keep the name and the senior management team.

I don't care about the name or the paint, but I think Franke runs a tighter ship. I feel we've gotten a little to loose with the model. I'd rather have to put up with a little more BS than not be financially stronger. Whatever will happen, we're currently at a 65% overlap with F9, way up from the previous year according to Ted.

Whatever is going to happen we can count on being the last to know.

could you elaborate a little more on a tighter ship? I like what we have done. We are giving customers what they want (on-time performance, WiFi, and more comfortable seats) and still having low prices. You make customers mad they are not coming back. And isn’t that what Franky likes to do—cut corners?

I certainly don’t want to work for Franke, I’ve heard enough stories from the Indigo days to know that.

I can't give you specific examples that would change our casm but there's a reason for the sudden increase in overlap. According to an LEC member, Ted is concerned and it's making a big difference in us making a profit or not making one. Franke, like him or not is very disciplined and we now have a real competitor that can drive prices down further. If we want to be like JetBlue, we should go for it. Wether people are ****ed off or not most come back for price. Frontier is just getting bigger, as are we, but they can hurt us. If they do hurt us enough two things will happen, either they'll change the model and tighten the screws or they'll come after us in negotiations, make it harder to achieve a better contract, the second being much easier for them than the first. Couple that with a very undisciplined, lazy group and it's easier for the company to win that battle as well.

Just thoughts, maybe I'm crazy, just how I see it and what I've lived through. Franke would be no walk in the park, I get that, but product and how people feel about just don't concern me much because price, especially a cheap one, is a huge motivator for many people. Expensive fluff, not so much.

I'm not a CEO, just along for the ride and those are my thoughts. Obviously not worth much but I'm always happy to listen to others as well.

Even more confused now than before after reading this..."Wether people are ****ed off or not, most come back for the price." Are you stating we should go back to the Baldnaza ways of saying "what people say and do are two different things" and go back to telling people to F themselves, vs customer service? I sure as heck dont miss those days. I like the trajectory we are on and dont think being profitable, an ULCC, and providing customer service are mutually exclusive. I would personally say that I would hate to spend the next 20 years at a company that knowingly craps on their customers because "they will be back."

Another's thoughts . . .

I remember the days of working under Franke here. It was a GRIND. Every day, flights were late, passengers were constantly crapping on the product, on you, on everything. I'm not saying I want Spirit to throw out the model and try to exist in the 'in between' space that JetBlue tries to do (better than ULCC, cheaper than Legacy). My QOL went WAY up when Fornaro took over and focused on easing off the screws just a tad in order to improve the product.

As Jyri once said to me, "90% of the customers will be happy if their flight departs and arrives on time, and their bag is there at the carousel." I'm no fan of JS, but he was right on there. And it's applicable for employees too. Its hard to not dread work when you're constantly berated by your customers and your awarded schedule is just a suggestion, since you know delays will lead to re-schedules, which will lead to stress on you. Inevitably, though, you try to 'keep it in a lockbox', that anxiety seeps out into your time outside of work.

Well said.

Hope everyone likes flying to and from south Florida

Those Miami routes are aggressive to say the least, as a new destination

Holy ****! 30 new routes right out of the gate?! We’ll see how long they stick.

Let’s dissect this...

Is this big move Spirit going after Frontier in Miami or AA in Miami? Or both?

Going for the throat on one or both. I guess FLL was maxed out in utilization?

Looks like just over 30 departures per day, that’s at least 2-3 gates

I remember before they said MIA was not an option because of the landing costs and the connection time issues from international flights.

So curious what changed?! Did Miami get cheaper to land or is Teddy spending that free Gov money on landing fees

I read somewhere that with this announcement, Spirit will be the 2nd largest airline in Miami 😳

​​​​​​Found this:

Spirit is the fourth low-cost carrier to announce its launch or expansion from MIA recently, following JetBlue, Frontier Airlines and Southwest Airlines. Previously, the company considered MIA’s per-use fees for gates to be too expensive. But during the pandemic, the airport opened up more gates for what’s called preferred-use, offering a fixed fee for airlines that maintain a certain number of flights from the airport per day, And that enticed Spirit, Kirby said.

Co Basing … whose ready to drive to MiA for work ?!! god forbid start a pairing in one and end in another 🤪

My old regional had a co-base for a little bit. Had to have a full LOA created for it. In it you couldn't start at one and end at the other. I'm sure something like this would come if we were to officially announce a co-base.

I hated the PBI co-base.

well IF it happened . I hope spirit would provide some sort of transportation like delta or united. I’m pretty sure they have company provided Transportstion bwteeen the different airports

Open the CBA, section 24

Nice find. Clears that question up

At least the traffic isn’t bad in South Florida

😆😆😆😆

yep .. so we can ride the chicken bus between too and fro 😅

I can’t see 30 new routes not leading to a co base .. probably hard to build pairings
With FLL-FLL with all the MiA flights in between … maybe but call me skeptical. Might need a tri rail pass 😅

Co base is terrible. I don't recommend it.

I’m not excited about the possibility.. just saying it is a possibility

Miami is coming in October 30 departures

Shirley you jest

We will need a lot of pilots for this announcement.

but good news for sure!

“We Landed on the Moon!”