another good question, how many participation trophies were* you given as a kid to grow up to be such a delicate little flower? Honestly, if you need attention this bad….. go buy a dog.

As a fellow new guy, please allow me to say “STFU and stop whining”. If this place isn’t to your satisfaction, then leave. Do I want IT to improve? Staffing to improve? Of course. Am I going to drone on for pages and pages prattling on like a scared schoolgirl? No.

Man up, sack up, and move on if you think it’s doomsday. Or stay and chill out. Either way, you’re boring and drama filled. Bad combo.

Wouldn’t it be ironic if they canned you for a social media violation, since I’m sure you’re still on probation and all...

That might make a good TMAAT story at your next carrier.

You’re going to have a very stressful career in aviation.

A huge win for Spirit!!

https://bronx.news12.com/us-to-give-...-int-l-airport

buy your SAVE stock now

$hit happens. To everyone. like…today.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/3679975...site-boarding/


https://thepointsguy.com/news/southw...ight-schedule/


https://www.newsweek.com/united-airl...havior-1629958

There are all sorts of idiot hackers out there. Unusual weather happens. You got stuck in a basement in San Juan? Wow, was anyone dropping mortar shells on you? Or were you getting harassment fire?

Ever gone to work in a chemical warfare defense ensemble? Just for practice because, you know, you might really need it someday?

Geez man, man up a little. You are embarrassing yourself.

The difference is, the real airlines have the ability to recover from these events quickly and efficiently. With code shares, interline agreements, spare aircraft and available capacity increases, it is possible to recover and to get all of the passengers where they need to go. Spirit can't do that. You just cancel the flights and strand the passengers for weeks at a time, and force them to buy tickets on other carriers. That isn't a "recovery", it is just continuing the same crappy service that you provided before.

The ‘real airlines’ have been monopolizing the commons for decades with hub and spoke systems and their fortress hubs. And those who would want to fairly compete and give the public a choice at a reasonable price have been largely frozen out by political maneuvering and back door deals. Like in Newark where Southwest GAVE UP their slots, but ‘real airlines’ fought against ULCCs getting them.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...er-2021-09-16/

So yeah, it’s going to take a few more years - maybe even a few more decades - for ULCCs to work up to the sort of flight frequencies that can make that easy a rescheduling happen. But don’t worry, the ULCCs are getting there, just like happened in Europe.

https://i.ibb.co/ynBvbzH/60277-F5-E-...70-A758197.jpg

First of all, I don't think anyone wants a system like they have in Europe. The system is designed to keep pilot wages low through fake competition and government backed airlines. If you want your pay cut 25%, then keep rooting for the LCC system like they have in Europe.


In reality, the death blow to the LCC's will be the pilot shortage. It really hasnt even hit yet, and the LCC's are already struggling. It is just amazing who is getting hired at Spirit right now. It shows you the desperation.

A guy that got fired from a previous regional for having too many training failures just got hired. 2 failures before getting to the airlines (Commercial and CFI). Then failed initial airline training on his first attempt, and then failed his first recurrent training. Then double busted upgrade and was terminated as a result. Now, instead of a ERJ, he will be flying an Airbus for Spirit. No college degree and 6 checkride failures. That's the current hiring requirements at Spirit.

What is going to happen when all of the "Big Boys" are hiring at full capacity?

Well I hate to rain on your parade but UA is doing the same. Just talked with an individual, 6 total failures with 1 being first airline. Hired at UA. Oh boy the desperation!


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Good question. The answer:

They will all hire away the other guys regional pilots. You know regional? The 50-76 seaters who the ‘real airlines’ use to tie up gates with at their fortress hubs and run the spokes if the hub and spoke model? The ‘Big Boys’ will be driving up their own costs while progressively losing long-standing monopolies. The fact is that NO MAJOR is going to have serious difficulties filling classes until the regionals are drained dry. And the regionals are an integral part of what makes the hub and spoke model work, and contribute revenue to the ‘Big Boys’. The progressive demise of the regionals will help ULCCs more than it hurts them by opening up hub gates and providing more opportunities for point to point travel.

Immediately prior to COVID F9 and NK were expanding between 15-17% per year. How were the ‘Big Boys’ doing?

https://i.ibb.co/tzbDCgG/79-BEABF5-4...ED9-E88-E6.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/nbR1vY1/04216-F95-3...784-F181-A.jpg

in the meantime, the ‘Big Boys’ grow 2-3 % per year:

https://i.ibb.co/5hD9v10/D1984-D0-C-...-F6-CDFD03.jpg

Please tell me that it is Ted Christie's son or daughter? At least then it would make sense.

Haha. Meanwhile UAL is tripping over themselves to hire any demographic to make HR happy, hours and experienced be damned.

Perhaps check your own house when hiring is based on what’s between the legs and the color of skin vs the logbook.

Once again, you think you know what happens at places like United, but you have no clue. Your anecdotal laden perception of our hiring practices isn’t reality.

Each new hire class photo is the same week after week. 90% white male continues to dominate the demographic. But keep on believing you know the inside scoop about how crappy and tainted the Big 3 airlines are.

YO'Nited

Take your crying elsewhere. You are high if you are trying to convince anyone with eyes that certain airlines aren't going out of their way to hire based on demographics. Wake up

In the same way you don’t know about us? Take your condescension back to your forum. Don’t you have airport standby in SFO or EWR or some other garden spot to sit?

I can tell you don't understand the European system.

I have my app in at Spirit, but not at UAL. You know why? Better contract, better quality of life.

Why Spirit? Have you considered getting your app in at Envoy? You'll be American Airlines from day one of hire there, if you can pass the interview. I hear it's pretty tough.

Haha..this guy, the biggest troll on all forums. Over on another he said he has meet and greets for cadets in the Envoy program, they hang out and talk what it is like to be Envoy cadet material..haha

Love it..Just remember, this is a troll so dont take him seriously.

https://jetcareers.com/forums/thread...etreat.310733/

Naa. That's not me. I'm at Spirit. Go back and look at my posts for the past few years and you'll see. I just like the guy's style and absolute dedication to Envoy so I made my avatar like his to show my support.

Nah troll, your old posts said you used to be at Spirit, and not you say you’re back at Spirit

You are a troll

go away kooj

tomgoodman

can y’all take out the trash? Someone left the garage door open

LMAO! Old Goodman hasn’t been on here since March 2020. Sucks cuz he was truly one of the only mods that seemed to actually shut $hit down. RIP

my bad. rickair7777 is one I think?

hahahaha😂😂😂😂😂😂

This. I said TBNT to United simply because I'd be a commuter for the next 30 something years and upgrade here is right around the corner. QOL is number one for me. Also have zero interest in any heavy flying.

you mean you have zero Interest in making more money per block hour?

I prefer to not do anymore crossings in my career, regardless of what it pays. It’s not all about money.

You are correct. I don’t want to be tired all the time, gone for long periods of time, and commuting just to have a bigger paycheck. I’ve seen what it’s done to my dad’s friends later in life especially because I can’t sleep on a plane. For me it’s QOL > pay. Spending 8-14 hours in a jet ain’t it.

This times 100.
The weird thing about some pilots is that someone can make 250k a year and they think thats a failure because he could make 350k a year by doing x, y or z.

The way I see it is if I make 250k a year and am happy, I couldn't really care less about anything else.

Weird...I personally know lots of wide body pilots and being “tired all the time” isn’t something I ever see or hear from them. They seem to have pretty good QOL too.

I know I’m probably just a troll for saying this.

If you’re not hating on widebody flying are you even a real Spirit pilot? Get outta here!

Here we go again. Starting contact negotiations soon and y’all didn’t learn from last time. Let’s negotiate on a public forum what we would find acceptable. Because y’all know from last time management doesn’t read these posts 🙄

Different strokes for different folks.

H€||, some people think Miatas are sports cars. The world would be boring if we all thought the same.

Bet those guys don't tip their hotel maids and van drivers.

or tip the front desk at the hotel check-in.

Don’t think you’re trolling at all. I know plenty that love it as well. All I am saying is it isn’t for me. Especially when I get older and my body really can’t handle it. So when we get A350s, y’all don’t have to worry about me bidding it. :D

https://i.ibb.co/Lxy05nk/507-E65-D5-...-C5-A22751.jpgh

APC post from years back. Military guy had offered at FedEx, Southwest, and Delta. He took the delta offer because he didn’t want to fly all night and didn’t want to fly the 737. Now at delta all he does is fly a 737 all night.

Ya just never know what’s going to happen.