https://simpleflying.com/spirit-airl...neo-order/amp/

it’s not going to show the details of the A319 NEO’s until it’s closer. It didn’t even show the A321NEO’s until recently.

This is dated from Nov 2020. Go to their fleet planning sheet on the investment site. Also after this **** show your assuming this place is even an airline by this time next year

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Stop being so dramatic. Spirit will be around next year and in two weeks it will be something everyone talks about over beers until the next one. Nothing ever changes at this place and they always come out of it.

I appreciate your optimism but you can only push people so far. See under our having no proper staffing. Further if it gets kicked down the line and everyone forgets in 2 weeks you think management is on the same boat? So this just constantly happens. Seems to me unsustainable especially with their debt load and revenue projections. I would assume it's fairly safe to say that q3 profitability is now a afterthought

Welcome to spirit.


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You really need to step back and take a deep breath.

I'm open to hearing what I'm missing honestly but I just don't see it. Ted just now on cnbc looks out of his league. The broadcaster pushes him to answer why it's taking a week and a half to resolve the issues. ( Ted says well be back on track by mid next week).
As a very new guy I feel like there have just been more excuses made for this place than actual credible positive things.
Who else here has been shouted at by a guy in Texas. Thought I was going to get mobbed myself..

​​​​​​Never in a million years did this happen at the regional not that's that better. I. Just say legit asking if this is any better and if there is any value here?

Legit questions not sarcasm. ( for once)

yes that was the site I was referencing. And no, there investors page isn’t going to show some of the new orders places...

these is no mention anywhere our A319neo have been scrapped.

The response you got comes from people with experience. Yes this happens every year or so with varying degrees of severity. This is slightly different because we are dealing with a post covid labor environment that this management group seems to not fully have a handle on. Hopefully they get a handle and yes we had a lot of debt going into covid and picked up a ton more so yes it’s a bit more concerning.

Don’t hold your breath on problems getting fixed. In the past I think they’ve looked at these events as the cost of doing business. Perhaps with our current debt load someone in Miramar thinks that’s eventually these events will cost more than they save. If we have a hurricane in the next few weeks look out we are in for something.

Btw I didn’t see teds interview maybe someone can post it. You know he can’t go on there and say we save X millions of dollars by short staffing and outsourcing that every now and then we know we will have an event that screws all our passengers and costs us millions at the same time but it’s actually a net win for the company. He can’t say that even if it’s true. If you think this is the first you didn’t pay attention before you applied. We didn’t have the same debt load in the previous ones though as stated.

you’re awfully emotional.

dude get lost. Go work for delta or something.

Going to be a long hard career for you here at Spirit.

Time to update those applications, bud. You're going to medical out with this stress.

If I PM you my name, will you put me on your “no fly” list?

Give him/her a break. If I was a new hire I’d be ****ting my pants too.

You sound very unsure/afraid for your future.
Just out of curiosity, what made you come to Spirit in the first place. Since you're new, it hasn't been long since you had certainly been asked "why Spirit?". I'm curious what your answer was.
I'm wonder if you quickly forgot your reasons for leaving your regional for Spirit, or if you maybe didn't do your homework and didn't truly know the airline you were quiting your job to join.
If you could snap your fingers and be back at your regional, would you?

You guys forget that this guy didn’t enter the industry in the 9/11 world, when you needed to fly canceled bank checks for four thousand hours and a space shuttle type rating to get a crappy turboprop job.

He didn’t stagnate during the age 65 years.

He didn’t get furloughed in 2008.

Probably never knew airlines life before KCM and phone apps and social media spewing every last little gory detail of every thing that ever happened.

If I were him, I’d probably think this was a really big deal too.

Amen!

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It’s so true. Flew with a guy, pre covid, who was upset that he wasn’t going to be a line holding, home based, Airbus CA inside of 4 years…(before he even turned 30)

I remember thinking if he even realizes how good the industry is now, compared to years past, to even make a statement like that. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.

BUT don’t try and tell someone who began their airline career in the last 5 years how much better it is now. Haha.

So you did get my resume.

It's always something. Pre 9/11 had an FO who got hired at 500 hours legit *****ing to me that the flight case the company gave new hires wasn't as big as he'd like. I told him as politely as I could that every CA currently on property paid for their own hotel during training and only 6 months before I was hired paid 5 figures for their own type. So be careful who and what you're *****ing about.

Nothing ever changes.

Life is what you make it. One can choose to be worried/sour about his career, or enjoy it.

I choose to enjoy it and appreciate the life this place provides for me, especially since a lot of guys have had it worse in the past. Genuinely love working here.

When I’m older, you won’t hear me speaking ill of anyone who got here with less regional time/struggles than me, either;)

wow, I guess some people are just oblivious to their surroundings. At my old Regional new FOs would actually complain to CAs about the bonuses, meanwhile those CAs had no bonuses at all when they were hired and worse their lack of pay subsidized those FO bonuses.

You missed the point…

The guy posting in the last few pages is genuinely concerned that the sky is falling because we had a tough week operationally. This is not the first one, and won’t be the last.

It’s not a gripe about new guys not paying dues. Covid is the first “industry event” that many pilots have been through, and career wise it was relatively benign. In fact it’s probably more net positive for them as it boosted retirements and more guys will see majors in their 20’s than in their 40’s.

I hope for your sakes you sail right through to the position you wanted and enjoy long fruitful careers, I really do.

But those who have surfed a few industry cycles have a icier veins for things like the idea of a few hundred cancellations threatening their job.

Contract was great. Home basing in fll.
What I didn't know was that management here was inept. Though I hear allot of people saying they have thick veins etc how many old dogs said that and then got canned from their job. It's not about being some salty tough airline guy it's being proactive. If this meltdown showed me anything this management team will flat out leave its employees out to dry. See under the gate agent issues etc / staffing to some pilots hiding in a bunker. Would love to see some of the people on this thread say with a straight face that that's normal.
And no that's not stuff you can expect or read about before you apply to a job as this meltdown is basically unprecedented in its scope in the modern Era. Still no communication either about what they are really doing if anything to fix it

That’s normal

<——— straight face

You’re welcome. Want to hug it out?

You kidding? They said they changed the phone tree, and added an extra scheduler from 8am-8pm! That should do the trick, right? :D

Management comes and goes. You think any Spirit Management, or any airline management, joins and airline and says “this is my career airline”. Airline management resumes are like baseball manager resumes, tons of hopping from team to team.

Not going to base a career on the current occupants in the C Suite. I’m on my 3rd CEO at Spirit

Ah right exactly.

Jeez why don't we just have an automated sick call
Electronic releases
A operations center in the middle of the country
Paid gate agents who are given actual tools / info to do their job
And not getting trapped in a broom closet because the mobs in San Juan want your head

I guess all too much to ask for

Was this in the brochure when you applied here?

Why didn’t you ask about all this in the interview? All were current issues when you hired on.

Instead you said “good contract” and you don’t have to commute.

Other than the first 2 things everything else is a bit standard these days. Oddly I wasn't told that the stigma maybe of spirit is accurate in that it will leave you high and dry. Whether a crewmember or pax

Can you show me on the model plane where Spirit touched and hurt you?

And there goes the end of rational input with a old man touching joke?

I think it's more of a question of how much we're you beaten as a kid to grow up to be such an *******?

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Every airline can leave you “high and dry”. You live in base at a growing airline with a proven business model. Can you just buckle up and hang on like the rest of us? You’re bumming everyone out!


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Getting stuck in a basement in san Juan is not high and dry that's criminal. What if it escalated past that? Would you say the same thing if some crew got seriously hurt? Or just water under the bridge it seems with the majority here. Ted or someone should get the axe for just that. I'm done anyways clearly the regional may have been better and waiting for the call from somewhere else.

Bye Felicia

go have fun at gojets nobody here will miss you.

Considering a basement is below ground, I’d agree. It’s not “high”. Clearly, yes it’s a disaster. Should NK change things? Sure. But should they have expected a full on riot? Have you read the news about American crews sleeping in baggage claim? You’re simply just spewing stress on here and I honestly hope you get an outlet like a therapist. This much negativity is not healthy.


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I’ll tell you with a straight face that it is normal. Not ideal but normal. Don’t expect Spirit or any other ULCC to change their business model and start to staff their whole operation for the couple days a year they have operational difficulties. Ask JetBlue how long it takes to get ahold of scheduling when they are having cancellations. Ask any pilot if they think their company is staffed adequately to handle big weather or cancellation events. Even the legacy’s fall apart. It’s part of the game.

Realistically I think Spirit will put out some press releases saying they’re sorry and going to increases wages so they can hire and retain more. They’ll probably invest a little more in their IT and customer service and claim they’ve solved the meltdown issue. Until they outgrow their changes and it happens again.…

I mean I guess I would ask why wouldn't they expect a riot. Anyone here who acknowledges gate agents for ex know that they were all near tears everyday. Walking off the job sure I get it. The old fog on here doesn't care of course which is unfortunate especially come contract time.

It's also literally management's job to prepare for these things. I would ask what are they doing. If anyone knows great. If not then it's much as anyone else. A guessing game. Heh wasnt at gojets but I was never hiding from the public at the regionals either.