You just stop with that filth. Turns have the best overnights. I eat breakfast at home, eat dinner at home, work out at my own gym or at my own beach, don’t ride a hotel van with a bad driver in bumper to bumper traffic. You want overnights I think we have plenty of cold snowy places to indulge your senses.

FYI don’t take this that I want our entire airline to operate as a multi base turn only operation ala Allegiant. That kills flexibility.

 

This is true but he probably won't be able to hold turns for many, many years unless he bypasses upgrade. When I took the first available upgrade in FLL I was barely getting any turns as a somewhat senior FO, maybe 2-3 a month tops. As a junior CA I am probably a decade or so away from regular holding turns on the regular.

Definitely not in the near term for most.

 

You must not have screaming kids at home? Sometimes it’s nice to take a short work vacation.

 

I totally get that. I'm a commuter. I'd rather spend nights on the road than nights at the pad. If I can at least have some nice warm overnights somewhere I think is a bit more exotic, is that really asking for too much? If I lived in base though I'd be singing a different tune.

 

I worked at one of the only airlines where you are exclusively “home everynight”. Now I’m here. 🤔

To me it is incredibly overrated. To some its
the best thing in the world. That’s fine.

I have far more time at home now (being on the road) than I did doing day trips. I could explain more if one desires, but I’ll just leave it at that.

 

Not really screaming unless they’re trying to kill each other which is daily.

I love the work vacation as much as the next guy. A nice cozy room at the Boston long on a cold snowy day is the perfect fit. I don’t really have much interest in a GUA, SAL, MGA, etc overnight. Kind of like SDO, it’s a PIA. All these places are great for turns. Now I could get behind a Liberia, CR

Not advocating for an all turn airline. Just saying most of these capital cities aren’t really anywhere I would care to overnight if we can have it as a turn.

I traveled a lot in Latin America during college on an extreme budget and loved it. The cities were the worst part. It’s a bit different when you’re only there for less than a day and you have to deal with the airports and customs and put your monkey suit on instead of a backpack. No interest in international overnights south of the border.

 

I see, I’m really just talking about a layover anywhere. Even just a long layover somewhere nice like PHX (not sure if we still do that) just to walk around and soak up the sun or SAN walk around enjoy the sights, go back to the room and relax, watch some TV in a quite room and not be bothered by things back home.

 

Back in the line bidding days I tried one month a day line line. What I got out of that was 10-11 hours of each of my day dedicated to work including commuting to the airport. I looked at the difference in what my typical per diem was for the month and it was a $500-600 cut from what would usually show up on the middle of the month check. Not worth the headache IMO. That per diem throughout the year adds up. Before anyone tells me per diem isn’t pay, let’s not pretend like $4000-5000 a year added to my check isn’t noteworthy.

 

exactly. Maybe a few day turns sprinkled into the month would be a good balance.

 

I'd like to stay away from any of those places. Although a STT or STX overnight instead of MSP in February sounds quite nice..