People are putting more thought into how a PHL base would work on this thread than management is.

I remember someone posting an excellent transcript of a Jeff Miller recurrent fireside chat a few months ago. Jeff said that not having pilots flow through bases is a killer when on irop. He used an example of those trips where you leave a base and do MYR turns for 4 days and head back to a base. He feels that having crew support at more stations is a help, assuming he means x/y list and reserve staffing.

Makes sense, we don’t go hub and spoke like legacy carriers do, we go out and stay out and the more bases we have, the more likely we are to adjust with new crews on the fly. Southwest shows 12 pilot domiciles on this site. Assume it’s for a lot of the same reasons Jeff mentioned.

But I agree, more bases will stagnate growth in bases but if there is a “upside” he did also mention that it could help with these pairing mixes we have, all these 4 days in some bases.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thepoin...interview/amp/

Or maybe LGA-EWR co-base will happen first?

Similar situation is already in the DTW open time. 4:15AM Limo from MIA-FLL. No thank you.

how is that any worse than if it were a 4:15AM show to start the day off with a MCO-FLL hop?

I guess what I’m trying to say is. You still get credited for it as if you were “flying it”. It’s no different than doing a short 1 hour flight... Plus you are sitting in the back of the limo not doing any work.

Same reason why I don’t like deadheads.

As you said “you still get credited as if you were “flying it”.”
Do you honestly enjoy deadheads because you’re getting paid as if you’re flying it?


I don’t like sitting on a plane DH and I don’t like sitting in the back of a car, or “limo,” stuck in herky jerky bumper to bumper traffic on I-95

I agree I don’t like DH either. But I’m saying it not any worse than a DH.

someone call my name?

I’m thinking the sedan/SUV/sprinter van or whatever will be significantly more comfortable than 6C. I’m not lookin go forward to it, but whatever. Crisscrossing the NE in a sedan to get to a plane at another airport was routine in a past life. I’ll live if I have to do it once a month here.

Or bid away from it.

Have you been in any of our ground transportation? Do you understand the type of people that get hired for these jobs? Do you understand stand how they are compensated? Do you know how a van with half a million miles is maintained. Ground transportation either between airports or to layovers is by far the most dangerous part of our job. Bumper to bumper is slightly safer because speed is reduced but you get the bonus of car sickness instead.

Some of the outrageous driving I’ve seen I’m amazed at how many pilots and FAs sit back and watch it happen without a peep to the driver to slow the hell down. I figure at least once a 4 day I’m telling a driver to slow down. Speeding in fog another lovely experience.

Throw in 8.C.2 below and I have zero interest in doing any surface DH. The ride to the hotel is risky enough.

2. When the Company requires that deadheading be by surface transportation, a pilot will be paid and credited with one hour of flight pay and credit at his applicable rate for each two hours of scheduled surface deadhead time computed on the basis of AAA mileage at 43 miles per hour.