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Lakeaffect 02-07-2022 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde (Post 3367851)
Correct, reserves pick up on their days off. Open time trips or premium trips.

Sounds like a nice perk for reserves who don’t get used. what’s a premium trip pay?

Nacho Libre 02-07-2022 08:06 AM

Premium add folder pay is 150%. First come first snatched. No Junior manning.

PleaseComplete 02-07-2022 08:18 AM

Sounds like there needs to be a plus and minus discussion.

NK has green day drops and X/Y list(200%).

For example, you could drop your entire month with the intent to have unlimited days off.

You can choose to list yourself on X/Y and work on a day off for 200% pay.

Don't want to say anything that could possibly be misconstrued into some kind of RLA thing but some people are really good at taking two different parts of the contract and making it work in their favor. ;)

or say you're a new hire and didn't get the base you wanted right away, you can green day drop your relief line and pick up in your base of choice.

TOGALOCK 02-07-2022 08:31 AM

Also to note with the premium add folder, the pay is 150% of the credit assigned to the trip. So, a trip that would be 10 hours under normal circumstances might have 2 hours of incentive credit added to it for a total of 12 hours of credit. So, the 150% is paid for the 12 hours. If you’re over 82 hours for the month that will then add an additional 125% pay. Incentive credit varies, but I’ve seen it range from 0 to 20 hours.

So a 10 hour two day goes into premium with 2 hours of incentive pay attached:

10 hours + 2 hours of incentive pay = 12 hours
12 hours @ 150% = 18 hours
*if the pilot picking it up is over 82 hours of credit for the month*
18 hours @ 125% = 22.5 hours

So a pilot picking up the 10 hour trip will receive 18 hours of pay, or 22.5 of over 82 hours.

BlueJuicer17 02-07-2022 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by Directautogroup (Post 3367649)
Both companies are littered with dirt bag managers. Bendo at Spirit. Brad L at Frontier.

Some of these guys were colleagues in the past.

Match made in heaven.

F9 will control 51.5% with Franke at the helm. I hear the management - pilot relationship at F9 is very good. Hope they retain a certain F9 CP.

biigD 02-07-2022 08:37 AM

Snootchie bootchie nootchies! I think this is great news for both pilot groups.

traderpilot 02-07-2022 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by TOGALOCK (Post 3367889)
Also to note with the premium add folder, the pay is 150% of the credit assigned to the trip. So, a trip that would be 10 hours under normal circumstances might have 2 hours of incentive credit added to it for a total of 12 hours of credit. So, the 150% is paid for the 12 hours. If you’re over 82 hours for the month that will then add an additional 125% pay. Incentive credit varies, but I’ve seen it range from 0 to 20 hours.

So a 10 hour two day goes into premium with 2 hours of incentive pay attached:

10 hours + 2 hours of incentive pay = 12 hours
12 hours @ 150% = 18 hours
*if the pilot picking it up is over 82 hours of credit for the month*
18 hours @ 125% = 22.5 hours

So a pilot picking up the 10 hour trip will receive 18 hours of pay, or 22.5 of over 82 hours.

^^^
Also, this is independent of aircraft type. We get this for 321 or a 320. It's an amazing tool to hustle. Currently, our limitation to maximize this is we can't drop below 50 hours in Flica. With NK's ability to drop to 0, something will have to give on this because THAT combo would be too good to be true.

sailingfun 02-07-2022 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3367488)
Now comes the hard part, how will they integrate everything and everyone? Mergers seem to rarely go well for all parties involved. I couldn't tell, but I wonder who is taking over who? Are we buying them out or vice versa? Lots of details to be had for sure.

Both pilot groups are ALPA which means they will merge via ALPA merger policy. Who is buying who is not relevant. ALPA merger policy will require the two sides to meet and attempt to negotiate a agreement. When they fail to do that which is the norm it will go to binding arbitration. Separate from that both sides have to negotiate a joint contract with management. In addition a constructive date of merger is normally applied as off the date intent to merge is announced. Pilots hired after that date normally go date of hire.

Meep 02-07-2022 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by TOGALOCK (Post 3367889)
Also to note with the premium add folder, the pay is 150% of the credit assigned to the trip. So, a trip that would be 10 hours under normal circumstances might have 2 hours of incentive credit added to it for a total of 12 hours of credit. So, the 150% is paid for the 12 hours. If you’re over 82 hours for the month that will then add an additional 125% pay. Incentive credit varies, but I’ve seen it range from 0 to 20 hours.

So a 10 hour two day goes into premium with 2 hours of incentive pay attached:

10 hours + 2 hours of incentive pay = 12 hours
12 hours @ 150% = 18 hours
*if the pilot picking it up is over 82 hours of credit for the month*
18 hours @ 125% = 22.5 hours

So a pilot picking up the 10 hour trip will receive 18 hours of pay, or 22.5 of over 82 hours.

Wow, that’s pretty sweet. Combine stuff like this with our 4 days off between work blocks and ability to drop to zero and this is a win.

Macjet 02-07-2022 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by FlyingDad65 (Post 3367839)

Other than that, not much more than NK. It is nice not to have to wear sunglasses on a walk around though.

I caught it. Nice one!


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