Franke has a well deserved rep. But the dude is like 85 years old. He’s not the threat everyone is predicting I didn’t think. Strong JCBA and nice raises will be imperative

Isn’t this going to be a bad thing for Spirit Pilots? Sorry for my lack of knowledge on either airline, but in my head I always just assumed Spirit was a much better airline than Frontier. I’ve had many friends go to Spirit over the years and lots are still there, it seems the company treated them well with a decent contract. On there other hand, I’ve known a few that have gone to Frontier and they all left within 6 months and didn’t have anything good to say.

FWIW, anecdotal and all that, I had a former Frontier guy in my new hire class here at NK.

I definitely chose to apply at NK for a reason. Currently debating if I want to update my apps or not...

Not trying to spread doom and gloom, just thinking out loud about what I'm doing for myself.

Both companies are littered with dirt bag managers. Bendo at Spirit. Brad L at Frontier.

Some of these guys were colleagues in the past.

Match made in heaven.

That's interesting. I don't know of anyone that's left for NK. At the end of the day, the F9 contract is ALMOST a carbon copy of the NK contract. NK gets some things F9 doesn't, like 321 override, and F9 gets some things NK doesn't. I'd love to speak to that individual and ask them why. The 2 airlines are way more similar than different. I can't imagine leaving one for the other and taking any seniority hit.....but everyone's individual situation and priorities are different.

Take a deep breath everyone. We will continue to operate under our CBA until we reach a TA on a JCBA. Then we will vote to accept or send it back to negotiations. Spirit currently has more than 1k more pilots on property than Frontier giving that side more leverage to shape the results of any TA. Management knows that this is a time where many pilots have options, and recruitment is stressed, so strong armed tactics won't work.

This is the only certainty that has been said thus far...used car salesman

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can't speak for them obviously but it was simply base location and generally not too fond of some F9 policies IIRC

Doesn’t the RLA have a process to combine contracts. There is also a process for an ISL to go to arbitration. I think if they go full hardball no one votes on anything. Although I think your right they won’t have the leverage.

I think giving the smaller airline the control was calculated in order to try to obtain as much leverage as possible, and not move all F9 pilots onto the spirit contract. ALPA can clearly cost each agreement and know who has the more lucrative one.

I think Atlas at first attempted to go through a combining process with Southern before they hammered out a joint deal.

Base location is the only reason I could see someone making the swap. Regardless of what the forums say, life at F9 is pretty good.