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Halon1211 02-07-2022 06:48 PM

How many Engine limitations are we going to have to memorize now after this merger?

A319 CEO/NEO, A320 CEO/NEO, A321 CEO/NEO.

Plus those engines that Frontier has.

Xdashdriver 02-07-2022 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker (Post 3368446)
That is nice. At first glance after it was explained it’s better than what we have not being tied to the res grid imo. We are tied to two numbers, opentime pot and a generic number based on domicile size. Opentime has to be less than generic. Usually not a problem but with tight staffing could be. Our deal also creates problems in flica manipulating a schedule due to the 50 hr fence. Because there’s no language that says I can’t drop below 50 just have to finish 60/70 yet flica prevents this. We can also be awarded 60 hr lines that pay guarantee. The problem becomes you can’t drop a 4 day out of the gate until your trued up on the 15 credit with the fence.

25.M.3 ..."At no time shall a Pilot be allowed to Drop below fifty (50) hours of Pay Credit..."

TOGALOCK 02-07-2022 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by daOldMan (Post 3368485)
This merger will not make Sprontier a real legacy airline. It is just a larger ULCC. Period.

… And if the new joint CBA is good, the paychecks clear on time, and I have a good quality of life that works for me and my family, why should I care that it’s not a legacy?

(On a side note, of course it won’t “make” it a legacy. You can’t make a legacy airline.)

TheFly 02-07-2022 06:51 PM

NK-ers, is there talk of hiring slowing down as a result of the merger?

fcoolaiddrinker 02-07-2022 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by daOldMan (Post 3368485)
But this will still be an ULCC. If you want a real OCC and real support, go to a legacy airline. If you want a garage sale type airline with folding tables in the OCC, go to an ULCC.

This merger will not make Sprontier a real legacy airline. It is just a larger ULCC. Period.


give up 200k, 5 days off a month, dust off the logbook, interview prep, interview, go to indoc, systems, sim, then commute to res who knows where for a few months to be number 14k. Pass.

Xdashdriver 02-07-2022 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by Flightcap (Post 3368491)
For what it’s worth, very few of our trips would be able to be split under a requirement to touch the originating domicile. Most of our multi-day trips only touch base on the first and last legs. The base turns are almost always built as day trips. With the two airlines merging this could be an interesting wrinkle in schedule construction if base touching is much more common at F9. It would make trip splitting relevant. We don’t have the ability to split trips at all in our current language.

I’m not up on the exact process of selecting the trips that will be withheld to stock IOT. I think there’s some union/company collaboration but I don’t know exactly how it works.

At F9, the open time trips are simply those that were not assigned to lineholders by PBS. There can be up to 5% open time.

Our management has been trending more and more towards out and back flying, with the majority of trips being 1-2 day trips. How that will be affected at the combined company is unknown.

fcoolaiddrinker 02-07-2022 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by Xdashdriver (Post 3368498)
25.M.3 ..."At no time shall a Pilot be allowed to Drop below fifty (50) hours of Pay Credit..."


Is that an loa? There were disputes under this new agreement for that.

Xdashdriver 02-07-2022 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker (Post 3368509)
Is that an loa? There were disputes under this new agreement for that.

No, it's in the original agreement. IIRC same language as the previous contract.

Xdashdriver 02-07-2022 07:11 PM

If I'm understanding the red/green system, with the requirement to have 75% green days at the beginning of open time, that seems to have a similar effect to our DDL (Daily Drop Limit not tied to reserve coverage that applies until trip start -4 days) and DAG (Drop Availability Grid which has defined limits as to how many reserves the company can require for drops inside 4 days up to 0930 the day before) language i.e. limiting the company's ability to deny swap/drop by cranking up the reserve requirement arbitrarily.

fcoolaiddrinker 02-07-2022 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by Flightcap (Post 3368491)
For what it’s worth, very few of our trips would be able to be split under a requirement to touch the originating domicile. Most of our multi-day trips only touch base on the first and last legs. The base turns are almost always built as day trips. With the two airlines merging this could be an interesting wrinkle in schedule construction if base touching is much more common at F9. It would make trip splitting relevant. We don’t have the ability to split trips at all in our current language.

We do have a tradeboard - no restrictions.

I’m not up on the exact process of selecting the trips that will be withheld to stock IOT. I think there’s some union/company collaboration but I don’t know exactly how it works.

I would be fine if it just went away. Like I said it’s considered pilot modified and I’m fairly certain that would make rig go away under both agreements. It’s common alpa language. There’s a group of pilots that like it to drop victory laps to make trips commutable. It’s pretty archaic now with our current schedules. After saying that giving up anything needs to be looked at a bit closer with your schedules.


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